Some Eschatology Questions

[davidoffinland]

From Finland.

What are some of the opinions among Calvin theololgians concerning some of the hard texts, such as, Mt 10:23 relating to Eschatology.

Mt 10:23...when they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I know there is an assault again biblical texts concerning what Jesus said about his coming back again and the signs of times. Any good links?

Thank you and in Him,
david.

 

[Bono]

Well, my personal interpretation of that particular verse is that it refers to the coming in judgement of 70AD. Thus, it refers to the apostles' preaching of the Gospel to Israel before judgement came upon it.
Check out this site:
www.preteristsite.com/
P.S.--Many reformed people aren't preterist, this is just my opinion. For a global overview, check out http://monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/eschatology.html

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

Well, my personal interpretation of that particular verse is that it refers to the coming in judgement of 70AD. Thus, it refers to the apostles' preaching of the Gospel to Israel before judgement came upon it.
Check out this site:
www.preteristsite.com/
P.S.--Many reformed people aren't preterist, this is just my opinion. For a global overview, check out http://monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/eschatology.html

Hey Bono,

Which "type" of preterist are you. Partial preterists are orthodox Christians, but "full" preterists are far from orthodox. Which type are you.

In Christ,
Kenith

 

[Bono]

Hey Bono,

Which "type" of preterist are you. Partial preterists are orthodox Christians, but "full" preterists are far from orthodox. Which type are you.

In Christ,
Kenith

"Partial", of course. I thought I was doing a distinction when I said coming in judgement, but now I understand how that could be misunderstood. I should say coming in temporal judgment upon apostate Israel.
I don't like to use the term "partial" preterist, and prefer orthodox preterist, because that's a word game hyper-preterists like to play, to imply that our position isn't as sound. Some even have the gall to call themselves "consistent" preterists. However, I do not think we orthodox preterists should let a rogue band of heretics choose our terminology. We don't let hyper Calvinists call us "partial calvinists", do we? If you check out that site I linked, it's some some pretty stuff against hyper-preterists.
God bless.

 

[Cajun Huguenot]

From Finland.

What are some of the opinions among Calvin theololgians concerning some of the hard texts, such as, Mt 10:23 relating to Eschatology.

Mt 10:23...when they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I know there is an assault again biblical texts concerning what Jesus said about his coming back again and the signs of times. Any good links?

Thank you and in Him,
david.

For the folks of Finland,

I believe this referred to Christ coming in Judgement on Israel in 70AD for its rejection of the Messiah and then calling God's judgement onthemselves and their children when they stood before Pilate.

In CHrist,
Kenith

 

[Iosias]

Matthew 10:23

Ver. 23. But when they persecute you in this city[SIZE=+1],.... Or any city into which they went, and preached the Gospel; and would not suffer them to go on in their work, they were not to desist, but to go elsewhere, where they might hope for a better reception, and a longer continuance, and so of doing more good:

flee ye into another[SIZE=+1]; not so much for their own safety, though this, according to the circumstances of things, is lawful, but for the further spreading of the Gospel. The exhortation is not to take methods to avoid persecution, or to make an escape from it, but to perseverance under it: the sense is, they were not to be discouraged, and to leave off, because of persecution in one place, but to persist in the ministration of the Gospel, by carrying it to other cities; and it seems to be a spur to them to make haste, and fulfil their office of preaching the Gospel, in the land of Judea: nor need they fear going on too fast, lest they should have no places to preach in;

for verily I say unto you[SIZE=+1], this is a certain and indisputable truth not to be called in question, being strongly affirmed by truth itself,

ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel[SIZE=+1], or "finished" them; that is, their tour through them, and their ministry, or the preaching of the Gospel in them,

till the son of man be come[SIZE=+1]; which is not to be understood of his second coming to judgment, but either of his resurrection from the dead, when he was declared to be the Son of God, and when his glorification began; or of the pouring forth of the Spirit at the day of Pentecost, when his kingdom began more visibly to take place, and he was made, or manifested to be the Lord and Christ; or of his coming to take vengeance on his enemies, that would not have him to rule over them, and the persecutors of his ministers, at the destruction of Jerusalem.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

http://www.freegrace.net/gill/Matthew/Matthew_10.htm

 

[Imblessed]

I'm also a 'partial' preterist. I believe it refers to the judgement of Israel is 70AD.

 

[DeaconDean]

I believe this referred to Christ coming in Judgement on Israel in 70AD for its rejection of the Messiah and then calling God's judgement onthemselves and their children when they stood before Pilate.

I'm also a 'partial' preterist. I believe it refers to the judgement of Israel is 70AD.

So, if I understand you both correct, then what Christ predicted in Mt. 10:23 is linked with what is predicted in Mt. 24?

And that it was Christ and not the Romans, or to be more precise, Titus, destroying Jerusalem?

The text clearly says that they (the apostles) would not go through Israel till the Son of man be come.


John Darby's Synopsis of the New Testament
Matthew Chapter 10

They were not to resist, but if the opposition took the form of persecution, they were to flee and preach the Gospel elsewhere, for before they had gone over the cities of Israel the Son of man should come.

Did Christ come any time between AD 33-70?

God Bless

Till all are one.