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How do you know what it was?No, there is a way Christ taught his Apostles to worship when they worshiped together.
How do you know what it was?There was certainly a particular way they sang hymns.
SO what are God's words and how do you know they are God's words?There is no need to answer it. It is a loaded question with no weight to it. God's Word trumps man's word every time.
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This is the second time you have mentioned losing. Did not know we were playing War Games.I'll take that as you saying that you're unable to answer the challenge put to you. Good try, though, but you lose this game of the "Search for Evidence" gameshow.
Not of my own authority, that would be prelest. But I do affirm the kind of music that the Church uses and endorses. The question of being closer to the Messiah includes the correct feeling and attitude, the correct "phronema".The music should bring you closer to Messiah. Are you in a position to determine what kind of music that might be?
Because they have been part of the deposit of faith since the early Church and the Church affirms them as of Christ.What makes you say so?
You're repeating what the church says is the case, I take it. But is there any actual evidence that Christ taught hermits how to live, for example, or what the light emanating from the Transfiguration was? And why would knowing that be necessary for salvation?Because they have been part of the deposit of faith since the early Church and the Church affirms them as of Christ.
No, the Holy Spirit is my authority....something the Orthodox never seem to talk about....almost as if He does not exist.....The Protestant is his own authority, though in practice many protestants just go along with whatever pastor Bob says and pew surf their whole lives (don't worry, it's also an issue over on this side of the world, too). He has a whole buffet of doctrines that are somehow backed by this, that, or the other interpretation of Scripture. And as far as they are concerned, each and every one of them, no matter how contradictory, is equally valid.
No. There's no evidence Christ had long hair either.You're repeating what the church says is the case, I take it. But is there any actual evidence that Christ taught hermits how to live, for example?
Well, we can observe the historical evidence.What makes you say so?
And scripture supports that "opinion" in what way?No, there is a way Christ taught his Apostles to worship when they worshiped together. There was certainly a particular way they sang hymns. Although Christ himself most likely wasn't innovating a new style here, but following an ancient one.
I know that. How about getting back to the examples you offered us and said that they were taught in the church from the beginning and came from Christ?No. There's no evidence Christ had long hair either.
We talk about him a lot, we just don't approve one using the Holy Spirit to give oneself, as an individual, personal authority, unless you're a prophet. Yes, saying, "I know this because the Holy Spirit told me so," is not really our thing.No, the Holy Spirit is my authority....something the Orthodox never seem to talk about....almost as if He does not exist.....
Are there reference to icons in the NT?We can look and see that Icons were a common part of Jewish and early Christian worship.
We already know that.I'm don't adhere to Sola Scriptura.
So 1 Corinthians 2:14 does not carry much weight with the Orthodox I take it?We talk about him a lot, we just don't approve one using the Holy Spirit to give oneself, as an individual, personal authority, unless you're a prophet. Yes, saying, "I know this because the Holy Spirit told me so," is not really our thing.
No, there is no evidence in writing. I trust it because Christ said the Gates of Hades would not prevail over his Church, and if the Church taught false doctrines, that would mean the Gates of Hades prevailed. You might ask, "Well how do you know the ORTHODOX Church is the one he was referring to?"I know that. How about getting back to the examples you offered us and said that they were taught in the church from the beginning and came from Christ?
You've apparently never been to an Orthodox service. The Holy Spirit is the first Person of the Trinity we pray to in pretty much every service, prayer rule, or Sacrament.No, the Holy Spirit is my authority....something the Orthodox never seem to talk about....almost as if He does not exist.....
I don't have any proof, but you think they didn't sing in worship?We already know that.
The question was how do you know how Christ taught the Apostles to sing? You said he did and that you know this to be so.
This is what I was questioning from your comment:I'm don't adhere to Sola Scriptura.
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