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I hear they had some rather bizzare views on Eschatology, much like the Amill view of some.I have strong objections to your comparisons of Catholicism to Mormanism. We don't have a new prophet, that has recieve new revelations. The Church safeguards, defines doctrine and dogmas and teaches from already recieved revelation, which is from the Apostles. We believe that the fullness of God's revelation, was thru Jesus Christ.....not something plowed up in a field.
It seems to me that the RCC seems to think that God gave "the church" (who they decide are members of the church) the power to change teachings, doctrines, morality, traditions and reasons for excommunication over to them instead of God keeping that power for himself (defined through the scriptures).
Does this sound about right?
Please stay on topic. This is not about the RCC or any other church that does NOT subscribe to Sola Scriptura.
This thread is to discuss Sola Scriptura with those chruches that subscribe to it.
Josiah said:Moot. The RCC appoints it and it itself alone as the SOLE interpreter of Scripture (technically, the Scripture not in any book or document but "in its own heart) and predeclares that self and self alone, soly, does this infallibly. Read the Catholic Catechism # 85, 87 and 113 for starters.
Yet somehow it's come up with 2,865 points of doctrine in its Catechism....
...as arbitrated by the church alone. Yup, you just defined Sola Ecclesia. It's all outlined in the Catechism, especially # 80-100 plus 113. The term comes from # 85.
The Rule for the RCC is "The Three-Legged-Stool" as Mormons call it. It consists of:
1. The CC's Tradition as the CC chooses, defines and interprets - essentially the corpus of its own teachings. This is usually listed first and given promenence.
2. The Scriptures not in any tome but in the "heart of the Catholic Church" as interpreted by the Catholic Church alone - exclusively and infallibly - so as to agree with #1 above.
3. The Leadership of the CC alone, as chosen and defined by the CC. The CC's own rulings, decisions, interpretations and arbitrations.
These form ONE UNITED SOURCE, one 'stream'; united, supplimental, equal in devotion, reverence, authority and normative function. No "leg" is above or below the other - as if some accountability is involved - all is equally revelatory and true. Thus, the Scripture "in the heart of the CC" MUST agree with the Magisterium of the CC even if only in invisible words that only the CC can "see" and thus is "implied" but in reality just not there.
Not officially, not universally. In fact, it STILL hasn't been. But there is a universal consensus around it - official or not.
1. ALL denominations (officially or by consensus) have embraced the NT canon that God's people did. God's people did this largely in the first century when 18-21 of the 27 books were regarded as Scripture. The rest was formed by the mid 300's at the VERY latest (although the Revelation of John remained in SOME controversay well into the middle ages). When the regional meeting at Hippo (a non ecumenical meeting) declared the lectionary for Sunday readings (not the canon), it simply embraced what had already been determined. This history (and my priest) affirm. NO denomination decided anything about this, they's all pretty much affirmed what God's people decided.
2. No one is saying that the CC has been or is wrong about EVERYTHING or that it MUST be wrong about everything if it's wrong about ANYTHING. You are making an absurd and unfounded assumption. I probably agree with the CC 95% of the time, it doesn't mean that it MUST be correct the other 5% of the time. I agree with Islam on some points, that does NOT mean I MUST agree with it on ALL points.
I'll bet ya that drstevej (a strong Calvinist) and I agree on MUCH more both using Sola Scriptura than you and a Mormon agree on both using Sola Ecclesia. I think that Sola Ecclesia leads to FAR more chaos - as any examination between Catholicism and Mormonism reveals.
Thank you.
Pax
- Josiah
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I have strong objections to your comparisons of Catholicism to Mormanism.
Please stay on topic. This is not about the RCC or any other church that does NOT subscribe to Sola Scriptura.
This thread is to discuss Sola Scriptura with those chruches that subscribe to it.
They'll be back soon. Still a couple bugs to work out.I think we may see less people using this site unless they get it looking better and find a way to bring back the Characters and pets and some of the other stuff as well.
It may drop from 1200 to 2000 users on at anytime to less than 1000 at any time.
Actually this may be a great opportunity for someone to start a site with all the toys the other one had.
About 345 post and 35 pages would put a strain even on me. Perhaps there might be a way for them to just bring up the more important points touched.Say, Jack....I think you are correct in this instance and it's good to keep to the topic, but I was thinking about all the posts gone by and it started me to wondering. Do you have any feedback for us? After all this, does Sola Scriptura look at all different to you than it did at the start?
About 345 post and 35 pages would put a strain even on me. Perhaps there might be a way for them to just bring up the more important points touched.
I myself am getting burned out on this subject and just too darn lazy to go back thru ALL the posts which many are probably saying the same thing but in different ways.
I could have saved you a lot of time guys. The answer to the OP is GOD! And if He's not speaking to you work on it.
Hear His voice, amen.
Key to hearing God is
obedience imo.
sunlover
How do the Judeans/Hebrew Israelites of today know they are obeying YHWH?How does one know one is obeying God?
I could have saved you a lot of time guys. The answer to the OP is GOD! And if He's not speaking to you work on it.
That's a good question!How does one know one is obeying God?
And make sure we are using correct and accurate translations?
That's a good question!
King David Hid His Word in his heart that he might not
sin against God.
And for me, that's been the starting point too.
But there are times when we feel God is telling
us to do something yet that something isnt mentioned
in Scripture, and in that case we need to be able to
hear His Rhema word. We must discern His voice in
contrast to any other voice that may speak.
(Man shall not live by bread alone, BUT by every word
that proceedeth from the mouth of God)
In order to hear HIs voice, I need to know HIM well,
I need to know what His voice sounds like, by formatting
my heart to hear his Rhema Word.
I've done that by studying His written Words.
His Word is a lamp and a light.
sunlover
Btw. I been meaning to ask. Does the RCC view Revelation as the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse/Daniel 12? Just wonderingHow do you know that what you have is indeed His written Word?
And make sure we are using correct and accurate translations?
Accurate?
Hmm, highly unlikely lol.
I've explained way more than I intended to on this thread adnHow did King David know what was God's Word?
How do you know what is God's Word?
How do you know you are discerning His vioce in contrast to any other voice that may speak?
How do you know what proceeds from the mouth of God?
How do you know what His voice sounds like?
How do you "format" your heart to hear His Word?
How do you know that what you have is indeed His written Word?
I'm sorry that it's so confusing.
As LLOJ said, we need a thread about hearing God.
I'm sorry if you dont know when you're obeying or disobeying God.
I'd simply spend more time in His presence worshipping Him,
He always shows up for that!
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