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Calminian said:Scientists Find Soft Tissue in T-Rex Bone
Found this on Drudge. I have no idea what impact such a find would have on current scientific thinking about fossils. Maybe some scientists here can help me out.
gluadys said:That's exciting. It is so rare to get soft tissue preserved. No doubt some questions about dinosaurs will be answered for the first time. And some information may be surprising. We'll have to wait and see.
Calminian said:70 million years seems like an awful long time for blood vessels and cells to be preserved. If this find turns out to be true, will this have any impact on current theories about the age of dinosaurs?
Calminian said:70 million years seems like an awful long time for blood vessels and cells to be preserved. If this find turns out to be true, will this have any impact on current theories about the age of dinosaurs?
Visions of Jarassic Park running theough my head....Vance said:What will be most interesting is if they can extract some DNA. Then we can test the connection between dinosaurs and birds.
gluadys said:I doubt it. It will more likely revise estimates of how long soft tissues can be preserved.
tyreth said:Precisely. Because the theory of evolution is not a falsifiable one. It is malleable enough to adapt to any set of evidence.
Soft tissue surviving 65millions of years, so its still elastic and springs back into shape? I don't think so.
Calminian said:AiG just posted an article on this today.
Still soft and stretchy
Dinosaur soft tissue finda stunning rebuttal of millions of years
This is getting interesting.
notto said:I'm guessing they are making the same mistakes here and they seem to be jumping the gun a bit.
Calminian said:We'll see!
notto said:If they can get beyond the whole 'we don't believe that material could survive this long even under the best and rarest conditions' I will be surprised.
As with the past case, they never really provide any reason why this stuff couldn't survive if preserved in the way it is (largest and thickest bone, low moisture content of surrounding soil, low oxygen exposure).
If the inside of the bone is protected from water, chemicals, and microbes, there is no reason this isn't possible. What creationists can't explain is why exactly is it so rare when we find unfossilzed specimens of extinct mammals all the time.
If these remains are only a few thousand years old, why wouldn't we find more of them unfossilzed and in better condition.
Using this as an argument against the several independent lines of evidence that show us how old these fossils are is simply a poor argument. In the long run, take note if they don't back it up by more than 'we don't think it is possible'.
Let me know when they actually explain why it isn't possible.
Calminian said:Well it looks like evolutionists will set this up as a win win situation. If it is truly soft tissue they will never drop their belief in long ages. Instead they'll simply say that soft tissue can survive for 70 millions years. What's their proof? Well hey they have it right here. But what I'm wondering is, would this have been predicted from the current knowledge (fossilization, chemistry) they have today. Certainly YECs would have predicted such a find was possible. Apparently there are some evolutionists that now want to start cracking open other fossils. Apparently such a thing never dawned on them before.
Personally I think most of the critiques of Weiland will owe him an apology. If this turns out to be true he is fully vindicated
notto said:Why? It was only elastic after it was rehydrated and demineralized, not when they found it. It was in poor shape but for being 65 million years old, it was preserved well. It was encased in rock inside the thickest bone. If it was protected from the outside elements, there is no reason it wouldn't be protected.
If fossils are not this old, why don't we find more tissue like this in fossils?
Why do we find samples of things like man and mammoths but not dinosaurs? That is the real question if what you say is true.
We know the fossils age through several independent lines of evidence. This really has no effect on evolution or dating.
Claiming 'I don't see how it could have survived' doesn't really carry any weight. You need to show exactly why it couldn't survive if you want use it as evidence against dating or evolution. There is no reason to expect that it couldn't survive in extremely rare cases under the right circumstances such as this.
Maybe YEC's don't spend much time in the lab, at least not trying to prove what they already know to be true. Unlike TEs who, to paraphrase your diatribe; spend more time distorting the work of God and the bible. In the end, the bible will be proven true.notto said:Strange how if YECs would have predicted this that they never thought to do it themselves. I would chalk that up to the fact that they don't do much real science or spend much time in the labs. The spend more time distorting the work of scientists who do research and lab work instead of setting out to do original work of their own that would show their predictions.
You would think they could come up with an explanation of why this isn't found more often considering that we find unfossilized mammal bones that were supposedly of the same age as the dinosaurs and buried in the same flood.
TwinCrier said:Maybe YEC's don't spend much time in the lab, at least not trying to prove what they already know to be true. Unlike TEs who, to paraphrase your diatribe; spend more time distorting the work of God and the bible. In the end, the bible will be proven true.
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