Sodomy...

catlover · Jul 24, 2008

According to the online dictionary sodomy is:

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sod·om·y Audio Help /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy

Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

tulc · Jul 24, 2008

catlover said:
According to the online dictionary sodomy is:

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sod·om·y Audio Help /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy

Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

Only if they enjoy it, if they don't, it's probably ok.
tulc(...maybe)

catlover · Jul 24, 2008

tulc said:
Only if they enjoy it, if they don't, it's probably ok.
tulc(...maybe)

Probably...

KCKID · Jul 24, 2008

tulc said:
Only if they enjoy it, if they don't, it's probably ok.
tulc(...maybe)

Very good response!

Zecryphon · Jul 24, 2008

catlover said:
According to the online dictionary sodomy is:

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sod·om·y Audio Help /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy

Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

That depends. Are the heterosexual people who engage in this practice saved Christians? If they're not, then yes, they're going to Hell, but not for this sin alone.

Washington · Jul 24, 2008

catlover said:
According to the online dictionary sodomy is:

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sod·om·y Audio Help /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy

Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

So why stop with just the first definition you came across? Here are the rest from your linked site.

"Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality."
(American Heritage Dictionary )

"c.1297, from O.Fr. sodomie, from L.L. peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," lit. "sin of Sodom," from L. Sodoma, ult. from Heb. s'dom "Sodom," morally corrupt city in ancient Palestine, said to have been destroyed, with neighboring Gomorrah, by fire from heaven (Gen. xviii-xix). Sodomize coined 1868. In Du. slang, besodemieteren means "to deceive," and evidently is built from the traditional notion of "corruption" in Sodom".
(Online Etymology Dictionary )

"intercourse via the anus, committed by a man with a man or woman "
(WordNet)

"Sexual intercourse that is not the union of the genital organs of a man and a woman. The term is most frequently applied to anal intercourse between two men or to sexual relations between people and animals."
(American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition )

"From Sodom. a country mentioned in the Bible: cf. F. sodomite.] Carnal copulation in a manner against nature; buggery."
(Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary)

catlover · Jul 24, 2008

Washington said:
So why stop with just the first definition you came across? Here are the rest from your linked site.

"Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality."
(American Heritage Dictionary )

"c.1297, from O.Fr. sodomie, from L.L. peccatum Sodomiticum "anal sex," lit. "sin of Sodom," from L. Sodoma, ult. from Heb. s'dom "Sodom," morally corrupt city in ancient Palestine, said to have been destroyed, with neighboring Gomorrah, by fire from heaven (Gen. xviii-xix). Sodomize coined 1868. In Du. slang, besodemieteren means "to deceive," and evidently is built from the traditional notion of "corruption" in Sodom".
(Online Etymology Dictionary )

"intercourse via the anus, committed by a man with a man or woman "
(WordNet)

"Sexual intercourse that is not the union of the genital organs of a man and a woman. The term is most frequently applied to anal intercourse between two men or to sexual relations between people and animals."
(American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition )

"From Sodom. a country mentioned in the Bible: cf. F. sodomite.] Carnal copulation in a manner against nature; buggery."
(Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary)

Do you believe heterosexuals engaging in oral sex or anal sex are committing a sin? Are they going to hell the same way homosexuals are? What is always brought up is "sodom" so sodomy includes those two things which heterosexuals participate it...

Washington · Jul 25, 2008

catlover said:
Do you believe heterosexuals engaging in oral sex or anal sex are committing a sin?

As an agnostic (please note the symbol by my name) who doesn't regard sin as real, I leave it to individual Christians to decide what is and is not a sin. There seems to be quite a difference of opinion over it. But, it's their story so they can do what they want with its unique terms.

Are they going to hell the same way homosexuals are?

Depends on whom you ask. Of course, I don't believe in such a place.

What is always brought up is "sodom" so sodomy includes those two things which heterosexuals participate it...

"Always"? You obviously travel in a much different sort of circle of people than I do.

From what I gather from the various definitions, "sodomy" has several meanings, so it behooves anyone using the word to make sure the listener knows what the speaker has in mind. Personally, I don't have any use for the word.

DMagoh · Jul 25, 2008

catlover said:
Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

No one goes to hell for what they did. People go to hell for what they didnt do - if they didnt accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

I think you've gotten all Christians who think homosexual behavior is a sin confused with the nutcases from Westboro Baptist and Fred Phelps. Just because I believe it is a sin doesnt mean I think you are going to hell. I wouldnt wish that on anyone. If you are saved, you are going to heaven. However, I do think you are going to be ashamed when you stand before God and have to answer why you engaged in homosexual behavior and why you tried to convince others that they should give up and live that way too.

exxxys · Jul 26, 2008

Zecryphon said:
That depends. Are the heterosexual people who engage in this practice saved Christians? If they're not, then yes, they're going to Hell, but not for this sin alone.

Wow, wait.

Only "Saved Christians" can participate in anal, or in many cases, just plain straight up sex, without going to hell???

Oh Gee. I have no fears about heading down to hell when I pass. It looks as though Elvis, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, all my friends, my parents, my teachers, and just about tons of the population are down there!

=]

jamielindas · Jul 28, 2008

DMagoh said:
No one goes to hell for what they did. People go to hell for what they didnt do - if they didnt accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

I think you've gotten all Christians who think homosexual behavior is a sin confused with the nutcases from Westboro Baptist and Fred Phelps. Just because I believe it is a sin doesnt mean I think you are going to hell. I wouldnt wish that on anyone. If you are saved, you are going to heaven. However, I do think you are going to be ashamed when you stand before God and have to answer why you engaged in homosexual behavior and why you tried to convince others that they should give up and live that way too.

In the extremely off chance that there IS a god and I will end up standing before him at some point. I'm going to have a lot more questions for him than he will have for me.

If he's the maker and has a problem with the product he created, perhaps I should have taken advantage of some kind of extended warranty offer.

Zecryphon · Jul 28, 2008

jamielindas said:
In the extremely off chance that there IS a god and I will end up standing before him at some point. I'm going to have a lot more questions for him than he will have for me.

If he's the maker and has a problem with the product he created, perhaps I should have taken advantage of some kind of extended warranty offer.

The Bible teaches that the non-Christian will stand before God on Judgment Day. What makes you think you're going to have an opportunity to have God answer any questions you might have?

Zecryphon · Jul 28, 2008

Wow, wait.

Only "Saved Christians" can participate in anal, or in many cases, just plain straight up sex, without going to hell???

Do I have to say only married saved Christians? There is a verse in the Bible that speaks about nothing defiling the marriage bed. Now whether or not that can be used to justify anal sex, is of course, debatable. P

Oh Gee. I have no fears about heading down to hell when I pass. It looks as though Elvis, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, all my friends, my parents, my teachers, and just about tons of the population are down there!

Elvis was a Christian, so I doubt he's in hell. Are you seriously telling me that your parents, all your friends and every teacher you've ever had were not Christians? You should have great fear about going to Hell. It is a place of punishment and torment and there is no escape, ever. Why do you believe it will be one big party?

jamielindas · Jul 28, 2008

Zecryphon said:
Yes you will.

Such is your opinion.... unsupported...

Zecryphon said:
He proved His existence by sending His son to die for you to pay for your sins. Jesus said His Father would raise Him to life three days after His crucifixion, which He did. What kind of proof do you require?

Can you prove that any of that actually happened? Can you prove that any of the other divine or miraculous stuff in the text happened? Corroborating facts? Physical evidence?

exxxys · Jul 29, 2008

Zecryphon said:
Do I have to say only married saved Christians? There is a verse in the Bible that speaks about nothing defiling the marriage bed. Now whether or not that can be used to justify anal sex, is of course, debatable. P

Elvis was a Christian, so I doubt he's in hell. Are you seriously telling me that your parents, all your friends and every teacher you've ever had were not Christians? You should have great fear about going to Hell. It is a place of punishment and torment and there is no escape, ever. Why do you believe it will be one big party?

I was being sarcastic. I don't believe in Hell.

And don't try to say Elvis never had premaritial sex.

Zecryphon · Jul 29, 2008

Such is your opinion.... unsupported...

Well I could provide the Bible verses, but since you don't consider those to be proof of anything, why bother?

Originally Posted by Zecryphon

He proved His existence by sending His son to die for you to pay for your sins. Jesus said His Father would raise Him to life three days after His crucifixion, which He did. What kind of proof do you require?

Can you prove that any of that actually happened? Can you prove that any of the other divine or miraculous stuff in the text happened? Corroborating facts? Physical evidence?

Can you prove it didn't? Many books have been written on this subject. Sources outside the Bible point to a historical Jesus. The works of Josephus are one. But all that is beside the point. You're not going to reason yourself into saving faith. That is a gift from God. So you can gather all the textbook knowledge you want, but until you have a divine revelation that it's true, it won't do you any good.

Zecryphon · Jul 29, 2008

exxxys said:
I was being sarcastic. I don't believe in Hell.

And don't try to say Elvis never had premaritial sex.

Why would I say that? I have no proof either way. My information about Elvis comes from later on in his life.

jamielindas · Jul 29, 2008

Zecryphon said:
Well I could provide the Bible verses, but since you don't consider those to be proof of anything, why bother?

We clearly have different meanings for proof. It is probably best not to try to persuade me or prove something to me unless you know mine.

Zecryphon said:
Can you prove it didn't? Many books have been written on this subject. Sources outside the Bible point to a historical Jesus. The works of Josephus are one. But all that is beside the point. You're not going to reason yourself into saving faith. That is a gift from God. So you can gather all the textbook knowledge you want, but until you have a divine revelation that it's true, it won't do you any good.

Logic says the burden of proof falls on the affirmative position.

I think it is entirely possibly that a historical Jesus existed. Though, despite supporting information in some text, there is a suspicious lack of evidence in some of the more comprehensive historical accounts of the time. There may well have been a historical Jesus or at minimum one or many philosophers of the time preaching/teaching a similar doctrine.
It is the divinity and the miracles that I doubt.

We've lost track of the sodomy discussion though....

Stinker · Aug 3, 2008

catlover said:
According to the online dictionary sodomy is:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
sod·om·y Audio Help /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sodomy

Does that mean the heterosexual people who participate in oral or anal sex with their spouse will go to hell?

I believe the practice of sodomy as taught by conservative churches is only sinful if the couple is of the same sex.

Chaplain David · Aug 3, 2008

Stinker said:
I believe the practice of sodomy as taught by conservative churches is only sinful if the couple is of the same sex.

You can skip the "as taught by conservative churches" argument. That's a dig. Sodomy is a sin according to the bible no matter what your sexual orientation.

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