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I would throw in there as #5 Whether salvation can be lost or given away. Some say if you are once saved are you always saved.
These are issues on which different denominations disagree nowadays, but I think they are not the biggest sources of division among Christians. I think the biggest sources of division are how Christians should understand and interpret the Bible and the specific issues of evolution, whether and how to accept gay people in the churches, and possibly abortion. I see a broad division having emerged between so-called fundamentalist Christians, or Biblical literalists, and more liberal or latitudinarian Christians who regard the scripture not as literal truth but as a guide and as subject to different interpretations.
Differences over these questions have not only separated denominations from each other; they have divided denominations internally.
No!.Telling someone they aren’t a Christian is against the rules, however saying someone’s views aren’t Christian isn’t. I have already discussed this at length with moderators.Telling me my beliefs are not Christian is against the rules of this subforum, as I understand those rules.
But they are Christian, yours aren’t.Your beliefs are not the only Christian beliefs.
Ok so many Christians are in error, please justify their views with some evidence.There are many Christians who disagree with some of your beliefs, notably your beliefs about "homosexuality."
I see. You are certain you know the truth. That's a dangerous belief, my friend. It can lead to smugness, even arrogance, a refusal to listen and learn, a refusal to consider other points of view, a refusal to consider that one may, indeed, be wrong.I don't debate. You know how many folks in this forum have gotten upset and called me trite and not worth their time because I don't debate. Quote Scripture and repeat the same thing again and again and again.
I'm here to deliver truth so that the captives may be set free.
As has been said plenty of times, there's no need to debate TRUTH.
But God's Truth will repeatedly be given in the face of lies. And this forum has been full of them.
But no mas!
This is off topic, but your reference to Speedos made me think of it. When I was in graduate school years ago, there was a very tall, thin guy with long, flowing hair who used to walk around the campus in sandals. He almost never spoke. He was reportedly a graduate student in philosophy who had been writing his dissertation for many years. The story went that he had written a brilliant dissertation and would surely have been awarded his PhD, but he was dissatisfied with it and threw it out and started over on an entirely new dissertation.I think I will just wear my speedos while on the beach. The speedos don't take up much room in the suitcase.
On the contrary it is the safest belief. The truth we are talking about is the one that leads to complete joy and eternal life. I suspect though as you think it is dangerous, you don’t consider it merely a choice but something undesirable not only for you to accept but for others as well.I see. You are certain you know the truth. That's a dangerous belief, my friend.
Well it could do, but not for us as the belief includes not doing that. But having not heard any other point of view except your own personal feelings and opinion as your belief we have considered at least your point of view which we can happily reject wholesale.It can lead to smugness, even arrogance, a refusal to listen and learn, a refusal to consider other points of view, a refusal to consider that one may, indeed, be wrong.
Well we cant be wrong in our beliefs, that would make them not our beliefs. We can accept that what we believe in may not be truth, indeed Jesus Christ’s NT teaching says if it isn’t true its all in vain, but of course this is what faith is.I believe we should always recognize that we may be wrong, and that we probably are wrong in our beliefs, at least to some extent.
On the contrary, if what we believe is truth, really is truth, then we do know the truth! The key depends on the thing we have faith in as the truth. But no matter how much you convince yourself that Jesus Christ according to His Biblical testimony isnt the truth, you still cant prove He isnt.Because no matter how much we may convince ourselves that we know the truth, we don't.
We cant know God if it depends on our human perspective. We know God because God has made Himself evident to us in the flesh and told us the truth.We know only our human perspective on the truth, which is always partial, always flawed, no matter what scripture we wave around, no matter how insistent we are that we speak for God.
The subject of the forum is NOT whether my beliefs are Christian. Trying to wiggle around the rules by saying you aren't calling ME non-Christian, just my beliefs, is nothing but wiggling around the rules. If I claimed that your beliefs were non-Christian, I suspect you would be more than annoyed.Dear Ohioprof,
No!.Telling someone they aren’t a Christian is against the rules, however saying someone’s views aren’t Christian isn’t. I have already discussed this at length with moderators.
I have told you your views are not Christian and shown you the evidence why. Let me remind you that I have so far on this forum given you the dictionary definition and the faith statements from the major Christian churches and compared them against your statements, most notably the Bible as reliable in matters of faith and conduct and as a rule and standard of faith and Jesus Christ as Son of God.
If you are saying your beliefs are Christian, show us why, this was the question to you. My views on this issue are based on what the Bible passages I quoted say.. Address them or put forward the evidence on which your ideas are based.
But they are Christian, yours aren’t. Ok so many Christians are in error, please justify their views with some evidence.
So don’t keep telling me you are a Christian when your views aren’t. Just tell me your views and we can discuss them.The subject of the forum is NOT whether my beliefs are Christian.
Well that is a false claim, as I have clearly referred to your views as not Christian and shown you why.Trying to wiggle around the rules by saying you aren't calling ME non-Christian, just my beliefs, is nothing but wiggling around the rules.
I have told you the choice is yours. If you discuss the issue and cease merely claiming you are a Christian I wont need to point out that your viewpoint doesn’t match recognised definitions of Christian.This is not the inquisition. I don't care if you believe that I am not a Christian, or that my beliefs are non-Christian, which is the same thing. I am not going to respond to your posts any longer.
The subject of the forum is NOT whether my beliefs are Christian. Trying to wiggle around the rules by saying you aren't calling ME non-Christian, just my beliefs, is nothing but wiggling around the rules. If I claimed that your beliefs were non-Christian, I suspect you would be more than annoyed.
This is not the inquisition. I don't care if you believe that I am not a Christian, or that my beliefs are non-Christian, which is the same thing. Now, enough of this. Just respond to my points, not to whether you think my beliefs are Christian.
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