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That's just one Christian argument about marriage. Christians really are divided about this question of same-sex marriage. Other Christians do not agree with you on this question, which is why we have these passionate debates in the DOH subforum.Dear Ohioprof,
And I am saying it isnt a Christian argument, the Christian argument is that marriage is man and woman and that same-sex unions are error. The evidence is God’s creation purpose for man and woman to be in union (ie. Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5 etc) and same-sex practice as error (ie. Gen 19 Lev 18 & 20, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim1, Romans 1 etc)
Now if you want to try and claim same-sex union is a Christian viewpoint them you need first to show where such a concept is countenanced and then explain why the contradiction with the texts that exclude it and condemn it.
I am not interested in your understanding of what you think you are, as has been demonstrated between us your faith isn’t in the same Jesus Christ as mine according to the Biblical record so who you refer to as Christians probably don’t have Christian understandings. Your ideas of what makes a Christian or what Christians should do are mostly your ideas, non-Biblical, and not what Christians think or should do
I am interested in the evidence for what you believe, at the moment your ideas seem merely based on your disbelief.
No, its a different God. I believe we can make gods out of anything, including ourselves and our desires. The God of the bible, the One that I follow, is loving, merciful, yet also angry and jealous. He also sent His only begotten for the sake of us all. If your God did not do that, then we do not worship the same one.I do not think that differences over how we regard scripture mean that we worship a different God. We just understand God, and how to know God, differently. It's not that our Gods are different, for there is only one God. It's that we are different from each other in how we think and what we believe. But beyond our differences, we are all people and we are all beloved by God.
For the most part, Christians today agree on this point. It's not a major source of division within the faith right now, though it was in early Christianity. There are other big issues over which Christians are divided today, and I have named what I think they are.
We'll just have to disagree on this point and move on, I think.No, its a different God. I believe we can make gods out of anything, including ourselves and our desires. The God of the bible, the One that I follow, is loving, merciful, yet also angry and jealous. He also sent His only begotten for the sake of us all. If your God did not do that, then we do not worship the same one.
I disagree about whether these are the big divisions within Christianity today. However, I think we will need to debate and discuss them in another thread, as they are off topic for this subforum. Also, I need to start breakfast and wake up my little one, as usual on a week day.Yes, about the divinity of Christ, there is no division within Christianity about this, because those who disagree with it are not included in Christianity.
The biggest issues within Christianity can be covered by just a few topics. 1. Necessity of baptism. 2. Free will 3. eternal security. 4. saved by faith and/or works
I can give you scriptural reference to why i believe I'm correct if you want, but honestly i doubt you are interested.We'll just have to disagree on this point and move on, I think.
You were not even here when this forum was nicene only so your entire second para. is an assumption that is wrong.I have no idea what the beliefs of the site owner are beyond what he says they are. And being gay is not a "lifestyle," as gay people have told you over and over, though you refuse to listen to what we say about our own lives.
It seems that you want to use majority rule to silence those who don't agree with you. If the site owner wants to do that, it's up to him. It won't benefit you or anyone else, frankly, to have those with whom you disagree silenced. Closing your ears to other people doesn't mean their ideas disappear or that they disappear. And closing your ears to other people means that you and others don't get to have your beliefs challenged, which is a disservice to you and to everyone.
We all need to hear the ideas of those with whom we disagree. Otherwise we become smug in our beliefs, certain that we know the "truth" and that those who disagree with us are wrong, or are "sinning" because they disagree. If we don't have our beliefs challenged regularly, we run the risk of believing that our ideas and beliefs are those of God, which is a dangerous thing to imagine. It produces intolerance, rigidity, a refusal to compromise, a refusal to accept people who are different. And taken to the extreme, those kinds of attitudes lead to persecution of unpopular minorities and even war or genocide. We protect our society and each other from that by engaging in dialogue and debate with people who are different from ourselves, who think differently, and whose beliefs are different from our own. And in doing that, we see those who are different as fellow human beings, as people who should be treated with dignity and compassion. I am not referring just to gay people here. I mean all other people. When we allow ourselves to hear the voices of those with whom we disagree, and when we engage in dialogue with people with whom we disagree, then we all see each other as fellow humans, each of us flawed and incomplete in our understanding. That's how we prevent each other from killing one another or persecuting one another or oppressing one another.
Yes, about the divinity of Christ, there is no division within Christianity about this, because those who disagree with it are not included in Christianity.
The biggest issues within Christianity can be covered by just a few topics. 1. Necessity of baptism. 2. Free will 3. eternal security. 4. saved by faith and/or works
Telling me my beliefs are not Christian is against the rules of this subforum, as I understand those rules.Dear Ohioprof,
I have put the Christian argument forward with the reasons, if you want to suggest otherwise come up with some evidence, at the moment the views you are putting forward are not Christian.
The forums belong to the person who owns the site. He may agree with you, or he may partly agree with you. But he is the owner of the site, not you or me.You were not even here when this forum was nicene only so your entire second para. is an assumption that is wrong.
This is the problem. You state that I just want to go with majority rule ?
Proves my point that this site is for nicenes and those who disagree with your lifestyle. what is wrong with the majority, those who were here first and made this site what it was, taking their site back from those who demand childish acceptance. What is wrong with us saying "Hey this is our forum and we want it back".
They gave you folks the opportunity to prove yourselves worthy over the last 6 months and you all failed the test big time.
I dont get your offense! He was being humourous! Where is everyone's sense of humour around here?
These are issues on which different denominations disagree nowadays, but I think they are not the biggest sources of division among Christians. I think the biggest sources of division are how Christians should understand and interpret the Bible and the specific issues of evolution, whether and how to accept gay people in the churches, and possibly abortion. I see a broad division having emerged between so-called fundamentalist Christians, or Biblical literalists, and more liberal or latitudinarian Christians who regard the scripture not as literal truth but as a guide and as subject to different interpretations.Yes, about the divinity of Christ, there is no division within Christianity about this, because those who disagree with it are not included in Christianity.
The biggest issues within Christianity can be covered by just a few topics. 1. Necessity of baptism. 2. Free will 3. eternal security. 4. saved by faith and/or works
Proof positive that, for the fundamentalists, this is not about Christianity at all.Lee should fly you and me out to Honolulu or something and we could meet with him for a few hours and pan out all the new rules for this site.
For the most part, Christians today agree on this point. It's not a major source of division within the faith right now, though it was in early Christianity. There are other big issues over which Christians are divided today, and I have named what I think they are.
I have seen no one advocating "anti-Christ doctrines" in the Debates on Homosexuality subforums.
And the new rule does not impose conformity in interpreting the Bible, or even insist that people rely on the Bible. You equate your interpretation of the Bible with what "God says," but it's not what God says.
It's what you think God says. All anyone has is what they think God says, or what they think is true. No one here speaks for God or has the "truth."
You must not read your own posts.
YOU equate me repeating what God's Word says to my interpretation.
I'm just not amused with that tired little attempt at chicanery. Yall think playing that lil "it's your interpretation" card changes what Gods Word says.
As you see, the new rules do impose conformity on interpreting the Bible and Christians will be aligned. If it were not an issue of conformity in interpretation, there would be no creed.
The Bible says 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim. 3:14-15
we know that Scripture is true and that creed shows conformity to the discernment of the Holy Spirit delivering Truth vs the lies of the enemy.
That might be all YOU have.
And you may not be here to speak for God. But I am a Saint of the Most High. I'm His earthly embassary. I'm a modern day deliverer of His Truth. I speak for Him because He has commissioned me to. I deliver the Truth because He has given me truth.
There are stark differences between people who know Christ and people who don't. If youre indwelled by the Holy Spirit, you've got the Deliverer of Truth.
So YOU may not have the Truth. I certainly do.
It probably left when all my friends started getting booted off.
tulc(since people can't win by argument, kicking the ones you don't agree with off will work also)
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