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Intuitively, I am also inclined to think that they have an image of that person (if juvenissun forgives me for calling an animal thatAgreed, but I have a hard time knowing what else to explain it as: reverence for the dead implies they know that the corpse is qualitatively different to the living thing they once had a relationship with: it's different to "Oh, it's dead, I'll move on"; it's mourning for what has been lost. Which in turn shows us that they think something has indeed been lost: I reckon it's the thing which theists like to call a spirit or soul.
How would you explain their reverence for the dead?
Having a different opinion from yours doesn't make one dishonest.You are absolutely dishonest if you said that we are not far far better than animals.
I thought you wouldn't.I don't care what example you use for the argument.
You are absolutely dishonest if you said that we are not far far better than animals.
I don't care what example you use for the argument.
Please do not tell me what I do and do not believe.You are absolutely dishonest if you said that we are not far far better than animals.
If you're too afraid to peek beyond your own worldview, you'll never learn anything. You're cutting off your nose to spite your face, and it doesn't bother me either way.I don't care what example you use for the argument.
Well, unless new evidence is presented, I think there's enough evidence to (tentatively) conclude animal spirituality.Intuitively, I am also inclined to think that they have an image of that person (if juvenissun forgives me for calling an animal that) and they know that he's gone for good and they feel something about that. However, it doesn't matter that I have an explanation that seems obvious and likely; it still has to be confirmed by more rigorous testing before I'm willing to call it a fact. What if they sit around the corpse because they're waiting for it to do something and can't figure out why it doesn't? I'm not a psychologist, so I can't come up with fancy alternative theories, but I'm still cautious about "hidden variables".
Clever Hans seemed to be good at maths until it turned out that he was good at something completely different.
You quit what ?Animals. (Ha ha ... I can say this as loud as I could and no one can accuse me of insulting. Ha ha ha ....)
I quit.
I think there's enough evidence to consider it a promising hypothesisWell, unless new evidence is presented, I think there's enough evidence to (tentatively) conclude animal spirituality.
Keep laughing, my motile, multicellular, cell wall-less heterotrophic friend with that collagenous extracellular matrix. If it helps you avoid the truth...Animals. (Ha ha ... I can say this as loud as I could and no one can accuse me of insulting. Ha ha ha ....)
I quit.
farewell fellow animal.Animals. (Ha ha ... I can say this as loud as I could and no one can accuse me of insulting. Ha ha ha ....)
I quit.
What, pwned?(Wow, I've just used the word "truth". I guess I am p***ed.)
juvenissus said:This is an evidence which shows that evolution is wrong. If man's nipples are useless, they should be gone by now. Did male Neanderthal have larger nipples than ours? [/quote]
Ah....
If they did....
well, I have small nipples. Even smaller that most guys.
Maybe I'm more evolved than the average guy.
Ya think?
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Yep: the mourn the dead. The anecdote I remember most is where the alpha male of a group of apes fell from the trees and died. The rest of the pack who was with him at the time just sat around the body in a circle in silence for hours. Then, one female went up, gently prodded the body, and they all walked off.
Creepy.
Ah, I think this was the article I read it in. Fascinating stuff!
Agreed, but I have a hard time knowing what else to explain it as: reverence for the dead implies they know that the corpse is qualitatively different to the living thing they once had a relationship with: it's different to "Oh, it's dead, I'll move on"; it's mourning for what has been lost. Which in turn shows us that they think something has indeed been lost: I reckon it's the thing which theists like to call a spirit or soul.
How would you explain their reverence for the dead?
Getting emotional and making accusations of dishonesty is totally inappropriate here.
A bird is better at flying than the wombat; but the wombat is better at digging. A chainsaw is better at cutting than a ferrari is; yet the ferrari is a better racecar than it is a submarine.
Anymore examples needed?
I will agree with you when you can dive without aid as deep as a Sperm Whale.
I doubt that most people on this forum, naked in the wilderness, could start a fire if their lives depended on it.
Most people, as the saying goes, "are too stupid to pour water out of a boot, if the directions were written on the sole."
Promises, promises...
Animals are eukaryotic and usually multicellular[2] (although see Myxozoa), which separates them from bacteria and most protists. They are heterotrophic,[3] generally digesting food in an internal chamber, which separates them from plants and algae (some sponges are capable of photosynthesis and nitrogen fixation though).[4] They are also distinguished from plants, algae, and fungi by lacking cell walls.[5] All animals are motile,[6] if only at certain life stages. In most animals, embryos pass through a blastula stage, which is a characteristic exclusive to animals.
Quit didn't last long.
You shouldn't laugh at Juve he may not actually be an animal, he could be a fungi
fun guy
get it
It seems weird that some one with his level of education - the very highest possible - is unaware of the biological definition of animal and that he falls within it.
I'd be interested to see why Juvenissum thinks he doesn't fall within this definition, I could do with a laugh what with swine flu and everything.
why do you insist we aren't?Yes, I am so tired of evolutionist insists that they are animals. Are you one of them?
Yes, I am so tired of evolutionist insists that they are animals. Are you one of them?
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