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ZiSunka

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Lockheed said:
Perhaps you might show what exactly "joy of the Lord" means and how the believer should act when His church is in the state it is in from Scripture?

I'm perfectly happy, and I think happy people can see that. It's grumpy people who have to think that everyone is picking on them.
 
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So, what do you do to evangelize, and are you more successful at it than all the rest of us? How many thousands of people have come to the Lord because you witnessed the truth to them?

Truly, I have no idea. It is not for me to count, it is only our job to faithfully declare what God has said in His Word and He'll save whom He desires. If anyone has come to the Lord through my preaching, it is not because of something I did, but because God worked through this pitiful earthen vessel for His glory alone.
 
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No one gets "saved through my words"... it is through the power of God that anyone gets saved. Sure, I know of several people who have come to faith through hearing the Gospel, but it is not me who saves anyone, it is God and God alone.

I have no interest in comparing stats with you Lambslove, you've made accusations here and on other threads, either present the Scriptures and explain how they refute my position or cease accusation.
 
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Lockheed said:
No one gets "saved through my words"... it is through the power of God that anyone gets saved. Sure, I know of several people who have come to faith through hearing the Gospel, but it is not me who saves anyone, it is God and God alone.

Well. if he doesn't use people to get his words out, then what are you really complaining about? You're mad that people aren't preaching the right gospel, but you haven't told us what you think the right gospel is.

I have no interest in comparing stats with you Lambslove, you've made accusations here and on other threads, either present the Scriptures and explain how they refute my position or cease accusation.

I have no interest in comparing stats with you either, I was just wondering if being negative is more effective at spreading the gospel than being more upbeat is.
 
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Well. if he doesn't use people to get his words out, then what are you really complaining about? You're mad that people aren't preaching the right gospel, but you haven't told us what you think the right gospel is.



I didn't say God didn't use people to get His Word out, I said -it is not my (our) words that save-. It is the "Gospel" which is "the power of God for salvation". Do you think that any "gospel" is equal to that?

I'm not "mad", I'm sad that people are preaching a false gospel of prosperity, miracles, and general pseduo-Christian fluff without any doctrinal content (except the forementioned prosperity etc).

It is true that I haven't said what "I think" the 'right gospel' is, lambslove, because what I think isn't important, it is what the Word of God says that is. If you want to know what the "Gospel" is, you'll find it therein.

As far as being "upbeat", I recall that Christ was a "man of sorrows" and that His blood was shed to save sinners from the wrath of God. I see Paul was executed for his faith, and tradition says Peter was as well. Yet it seems that Christians, particularly in this day and age are more concerned with their finances than with suffering for the cause of Christ.

I'm tremendously upbeat, because I know my Redeemer lives, yet here on Earth we are to consider it "pure joy" to endure suffering and persecution. I'm upbeat, that Christ has won the victory... but I'm also sad, knowing that His church has whored herself with the world.

There's a great series on the "Blue Note" from the White Horse Inn, I highly recommend it. (http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/the_white_horse_inn/Archives.asp)
 
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