So is this how it works

[raven1]

A)OCD makes you doubt God exists and creates fear because you do.

B)OCD doesn't make you doubt God exists but creates fear because you do.

What about people who doubt but don't have fear is it because they don't have OCD.

Who goes to heaven or hell and how would you know if you fit into category A or B.

People on this forum say, say dear Lord thank you for dying for my sins and believe in your heart um I doubt that isn't possible.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I think many if not all people have an occasional doubt float through their mind but if one battles OCD they have the tendency to latch onto the thought and say what if, what if, what if and possibly develop an obsession which demands 100% certainty that something is or is true. Since most things in life or faith never provide 100% certainty they get anxious because they can't resolve it to their satisfaction and it becomes a vicious cycle. This is how I see the relationship between OCD AND doubts. I am one that does believe OCD Is a brain malfunction. Let me put it this way: I think OCD makes it very difficult to just let a thought go as someone who doesn't battle OCD would likely do.

 

[raven1]

I think when I was in the face of death or thought I was I got scarEd there is nothing after this. I want it sooo bad to be true there is a heaven and God if I didn't I wouldn't obsess. I want to have a purpose and paradise. I need 100 percent certainty though because I cannot just have faith(hope and belief in the unseen) it is scary for me to let go and trust with the possibility I could be wrong but on the other hand not trusting could lead me to hell but I just can't do it. I just can't trust. So now that I need this 100 percent proof of God exists and there is a athiest on one shoulder and God on the other but hE is so small.

 

[redblue22]

So, what would count as 100% proof?

And do you hold atheism to that same 100% standard?

 

[raven1]

Other than seeing God himself I don't know. I do not hold athieism as 100 percent. That is my problem I don't know anything for certain.

 

[redblue22]

seeing God might be a hallucination.

 

[kaykay9.0]

I think if your OC isn't flairing so badly you won't obsess about 100% certainty so much. I know you don't see that. It's hard to see that till you are on the other side of it. That's why we keep telling you to treat the OCD!

 

[raven1]

I want to go to a therapist the only two that do exposure therapy are 100 dollars a session I can't afford that. I hate this. I want to be saved and not fear no heaven. I know people on here with the same doubts that I have and they feel saved and don't fear no afterlife
That seems crazy to me.

 

[redblue22]

what seems crazy?

 

[raven1]

To assume your saved when you doubt God exists and not fear hell and no afterlife. I had a thought today I like the openess of agnostism why? I am going to hell.

 

[redblue22]

so, what did you believe before?

 

[kaykay9.0]

Raven, what about meds? Have you looked into treating your OCD that way?

 

[raven1]

When my faith was there that /
God and heaven existed my biggest fear is heaven doesn't exist and if afterlife exists I go to hell for doubt•
.

 

[raven1]

Why do I look on the internet, around my sisters campus etc. To see who are the athiests to see what I shold believe. I always come to the conclusion I don't want to be wrong but that is pascals wager not faith. If you doubt but hope that is pascals wager. If this isn't OCD I am going to hell!!! Kaykay I got put on new medicine last week. Christian catholic you say my issue is definitely OCD put there is no way to prove it am I hellbound if this is just doubt not caused by OCD. I don't understand the whole OCD causing you to doubt God exists thing anyway. I feel like people who had OCD about God existing never really doubted or found enough evidence. I feel I am different. We can't prove mother theresa, Bunyan, spurgeon etc had OCD and we can't prove we aren't just chosen to have faith and make it into heaven. I know three people at work that want to believe God exists but don't have enough evidence do they have OCD too where do they go when they die. I also think I want to be athiest and think this atheist guy I know is hot because he is atheist. What is going on?

 

[kaykay9.0]

I am glad you are on some type of med. Hope it helps you. It takes several weeks or longer to kick in and make a difference. And sometimes you have to try more than one to find what works for you. I just want to address one thing you keep saying about you think atheists are smarter, hotter etc. Sigh...how can I put this. Not All, but MANY atheists will HAVE you believe they are smarter, more logical, yada, yada, yada and subtly put you down for your faith. THEY act like they know more etc. Many are the proverbial "legends in their own minds" so to speak. THEY have convinced you they are smarter, more logical. Life isn't about logic or nothing would be here. Absolutely nothing. Don't believe their propaganda. There are many, many apologetic theologians who could think rings around most atheists. Dr. Greg Boyd comes to mind, Ravi Zacharias is another just to name a couple. Many. Don't be misled that the truly intelligent are always atheists. Atheists may seem "hotter" because they may represent a "bad boy mystique," someone who walks on the wild side. Do you get my drift?

 

[raven1]

Yeah I understand but I am scared because no athiest have ever tried to get me to think they are smarter I just think they are but I don't want to. I feel like I have a split personality one that wants to believe in athieism and one who doesn't. I have three friends at work that don't God exists just like I do but that don't worry about it. Why? What if I don't have OCD where am I going when I die.

 

[redblue22]

I didn't realize ocd was a get out of hell free card.

 

[raven1]

Doubting is doubt whether I have OCD or not. OCD can't make us doubt God exists. Your right either way I am going to hell.

 

[redblue22]

What was it before that you believed kept you out of hell?

 

[raven1]

God and heaven are real.