So is the United States a religious nation? Part 2

[LittleNipper]

Nebraska 1875, Preamble[FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Nevada 1864, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution.... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art . I. Sec. V[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']New Jersey 1844, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']New Mexico 1911, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty.. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']New York 1846, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.[/font][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']North Carolina 1868, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']North Dakota 1889, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain..... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Ohio 1852, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Oklahoma 1907, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2.[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.... [/font][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/font]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Rhode Island 1842, Preamble.[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']South Carolina , 1778, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']South Dakota 1889, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Tennessee 1796, Art . XI..III.[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Texas 1845, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Utah 1896, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Vermont 1777, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man .. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Washington 1889, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']West Virginia 1872, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .. [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Wisconsin 1848, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility... [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'][/font]
[FONT='Georgia','serif']Wyoming 1890, Preamble[/font][FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font][FONT='Georgia','serif']We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...[/font][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] [/font][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/font]
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[Tinker Grey]

Please fix the formatting (2). Thanks

 

[Belk]

Holy wall of text Batman

 

[Belk]

So is the United States a religious nation?

Last I checked we where a nation with religious people (of all different stripes). I am not sure if that counts as a religious nation.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Still searching for a point

 

[david_x]

Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution..

Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution....

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art . I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..

New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

North Carolina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...

North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain.....

Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance....

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing...

South Carolina , 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ...

Tennessee 1796, Art . XI..III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other

Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility...

Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...

 

[Cabal]

Too long, didn't format.

I was under the impression individual states making fancy proclamations in the name of God / whoever didn't change the fact that the US wasn't established as a Christian nation?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

How many times does Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli need to be quoted?

Besides the simple fact that the US wasn't based on Christianity, let's imagine it was...so what? What is so amazing about "our" country that makes it sacrosanct? There's nothing special about the US. It's government has fostered blind nationalism to make it feel like it;s incredible. The reality is that many countries in the world live up to the ideals that the US spouts infinitely better. Democracy? Freedom? Justice? America is a pathetic excuse as an exemplar of those ideals.

And it's not just the governments of the last couple of centuries...the Constitution is nothing special. It was written hundreds of years ago, and may well have been relevant then, but that doesn't necessarily make it relevant now. Of course, it tries to enshrine phenomenal ideals, but that doesn't mean it does it in the right way.

In short, Americans should get their head out of their own arses and realise they're not that great.

 

[Blackmarch]

How many times does Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli need to be quoted?

Besides the simple fact that the US wasn't based on Christianity, let's imagine it was...so what? What is so amazing about "our" country that makes it sacrosanct? There's nothing special about the US. It's government has fostered blind nationalism to make it feel like it;s incredible. The reality is that many countries in the world live up to the ideals that the US spouts infinitely better. Democracy? Freedom? Justice? America is a pathetic excuse as an exemplar of those ideals.

Christianity permeated it's creation, whats amazing is they did not make it exclusive to christianity. And no it's not a pathetic excuse of such.

And it's not just the governments of the last couple of centuries...the Constitution is nothing special. It was written hundreds of years ago, and may well have been relevant then, but that doesn't necessarily make it relevant now. Of course, it tries to enshrine phenomenal ideals, but that doesn't mean it does it in the right way.

Are you nuts? A constitution is important when you are organising a body that governs people. And what made the constitution important then is still important now, especially now that radicalism seems to be on the rise (altho it most likely is not, thats what the media makes it appear).

In short, Americans should get their head out of their own arses and realise they're not that great.

or you.

 

[Belk]

Christianity permeated it's creation, whats amazing is they did not make it exclusive to christianity. And no it's not a pathetic excuse of such.

In what way? Certainly some of the founding fathers where Christian and that informed their reasons and motives. However the founding of the Government was not based on Christianity. It of course, being the predominant religion, had influence on the founding.

 

[Verv]

The atheists and non-believers are always so hard to in down on this...

Sometimes, 'the USA is under the influence of [evil] Christian extremists!'

Sometimes, 'the USA has separation of church and state and should never have it interfered with,' (fair enough)

But you have to hash this out...

OK, if we are not a nation with a religious government,

can't we still be essentially what amounts to a religious nation, e.g., a nation in a non-political sense of the body?

Because if that is the case, we rank up there as one of the more religious countries on the earth.

 

[LittleNipper]

How many times does Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli need to be quoted?

Besides the simple fact that the US wasn't based on Christianity, let's imagine it was...so what? What is so amazing about "our" country that makes it sacrosanct? There's nothing special about the US. It's government has fostered blind nationalism to make it feel like it;s incredible. The reality is that many countries in the world live up to the ideals that the US spouts infinitely better. Democracy? Freedom? Justice? America is a pathetic excuse as an exemplar of those ideals.

And it's not just the governments of the last couple of centuries...the Constitution is nothing special. It was written hundreds of years ago, and may well have been relevant then, but that doesn't necessarily make it relevant now. Of course, it tries to enshrine phenomenal ideals, but that doesn't mean it does it in the right way.

In short, Americans should get their head out of their own arses and realise they're not that great.

What Treaty of Tripoli so strategically and diplomatically implied was that a nation cannot be any religion any more than a mountain, tree, or a body of water can be "christian."

People can certainly be christian and ideals can be of a christian persuasion ---- but what Tripoli wasn't told was good for the peace....

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Are you nuts? A constitution is important when you are organising a body that governs people. And what made the constitution important then is still important now, especially now that radicalism seems to be on the rise (altho it most likely is not, thats what the media makes it appear).

A constitution, perhaps. But the US Constitution is nothing special in itself, and should be much more open to change and far less worshipped by arrogant Americans.

 

[HannahBanana]

What Treaty of Tripoli so strategically and diplomatically implied was that a nation cannot be any religion any more than a mountain, tree, or a body of water can be "christian."

People can certainly be christian and ideals can be of a christian persuasion ---- but what Tripoli wasn't told was good for the peace....

If you're able to realize that a nation, such as the United States, cannot be Christian, then what was the point of this post?

 

[The Nihilist]

A constitution, perhaps. But the US Constitution is nothing special in itself, and should be much more open to change and far less worshipped by arrogant Americans.

Goodness, why should we make it easier to change? It seems to work just fine, and the long process helps assure that only the most important and sober changes will actually succeed.

Besides, we wouldn't worship it so much if it weren't basically the best ever.

 

[gnomon]

Sure, the United States is a religious nation. Therefore we can lay at the feet of the religious nation, the believers, institutionalized slavery based on racism, breaking treaties to the indigenous tribes on this continent as well as the ensuing wars of imperialism undertaken by the United States. A religious nation.

Or rather, we could not attempt to reduce the complexities of defining a nation comprised of a vast number of different cultures, a relatively very short history with a very high dynamic in regards to social and political change as well as understanding that the statements of a few men or a documents fail at providing an accurate view of the populace as a whole.

 

[gnomon]

A constitution, perhaps. But the US Constitution is nothing special in itself, and should be much more open to change and far less worshipped by arrogant Americans.

Doesn't matter at this point.

The Congress and Supreme Court no longer give the Constitution much credence these days.

 

[The Nihilist]

Doesn't matter at this point.

The Congress and Supreme Court no longer give the Constitution much credence these days.

what.

 

[david_x]

Doesn't matter at this point.

The Congress and Supreme Court no longer give the Constitution much credence these days.

Losing faith?

 

[jcook922]

People are also forgetting that all of those proclamations were made over a century ago. Alot has changed since then, look at the average American then and the average American now. A large portion of Americans now are not Christian, when back then they were a dominating majority.

Alot of change has occured since that past century.