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[BurningBush84]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 10:12 ????

 

[sandman]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 10:12 ????

In light of the context verses 7-13

 

[Strong in Him]

In light of the context verses 7-13

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mark Quayle]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 10:12 ????

All context is important, (some more relevant than others, obviously). Besides the immediate context, such as the "therefore" given in verse 14— (the NIV divides the chapter into 3 sections, but the theme is the same throughout, the warning specific, but also a general truth), —the warning is repeated in various ways in much of Scripture, from references to hypocrisy and judging others, to restoring the fallen brother.

Maybe too, it would be good to note that he is not saying that one should refrain from situations where one is "at risk" of falling, but to keep in mind those in history who fell, in spite of their having every reason not to. What I understand to be an old Jewish didactic method, of presenting one truth or principle or statement, against another, often happens with such statements as this one. There's no use in shrinking from pursuing Christ and his righteousness, in spite of the dangers; but take heed. When self-confidence is at its apparent height, is when the fall is easiest and most destructive.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 10:12 ????

It means don't be overly confident in your standing. It reminds me of the verse that says something like "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" because I think it's important to pray for mercy as all of us have sinned and we need not only forgiveness for the sins we ask for forgiveness for but we also need forgiveness and mercy for sins we don't know that we do.

I mean this out of love

 

[SavedByGrace3]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 10:12 ????

You have to read it in the context in which it was written. It pretty much explains itself.

If you are doing the things listed, or similar things, then you should beware.

Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written:
The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”
We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—
We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

The grumbling, or evil reports, is what got them wandering in the wilderness for 40 years.

One thing it does not mean, that it is to wrong have confidence in Christ and are walking in the Spirit is dangerous. That is safe!

Romans 8:1 KJV
1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

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[BurningBush84]

It means don't be overly confident in your standing. It reminds me of the verse that says something like "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" because I think it's important to pray for mercy as all of us have sinned and we need not only forgiveness for the sins we ask for forgiveness for but we also need forgiveness and mercy for sins we don't know that we do.

I mean this out of love

So can a Believer "fall away " ?

 

[BurningBush84]

You have to read it in the context in which it was written. It pretty much explains itself.

If you are doing the things listed, or similar things, then you should beware.

Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written:
The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”
We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—
We should not test Christ, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.
And do not grumble, as some of them did—and were killed by the destroying angel.

The grumbling, or evil reports, is what got them wandering in the wilderness for 40 years.

One thing it does not mean, that it is to wrong have confidence in Christ and are walking in the Spirit is dangerous. That is safe!

Romans 8:1 KJV
1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So can a "Believer" , "fall away" ?

 

[BurningBush84]

All context is important, (some more relevant than others, obviously). Besides the immediate context, such as the "therefore" given in verse 14— (the NIV divides the chapter into 3 sections, but the theme is the same throughout, the warning specific, but also a general truth), —the warning is repeated in various ways in much of Scripture, from references to hypocrisy and judging others, to restoring the fallen brother.

Maybe too, it would be good to note that he is not saying that one should refrain from situations where one is "at risk" of falling, but to keep in mind those in history who fell, in spite of their having every reason not to. What I understand to be an old Jewish didactic method, of presenting one truth or principle or statement, against another, often happens with such statements as this one. There's no use in shrinking from pursuing Christ and his righteousness, in spite of the dangers; but take heed. When self-confidence is at its apparent height, is when the fall is easiest and most destructive.

Fell from what ????

 

[BurningBush84]

Fell from what ????

 

[BurningBush84]

In light of the context verses 7-13

Does this verse prove a Believer can Fall Away ???

 

[BurningBush84]

I thought "Falling Away" was a impossibility????

 

[SavedByGrace3]

So can a "Believer" , "fall away" ?

In the epistle to the Hebrews(6), Paul presents a hypothetical scenario as to what would happen to the Doctrine of "Repentance from dead works" if the daily sacrifice was inserted into the "foundational doctrines." Adding the daily sacrifice into our doctrine of repentance would require that Jesus return to earth and be crucified every day. Of course that will never happen, and therefore there will "remain no more sacrifice for our sins," and therefore it would be "impossible to renew them to repentance. " This is merely a hypothetical scenario showing the unworkableness of this doctrinal "deviation." That is the real meaning of "fall away" in Heb 6:6.
The consequences of this "deviation" from the foundational doctrine of repentance from dead works is to not be allowed to move on to the mature doctrines beyond the elementary doctrines listed in 6:1-3.

Hebrews 6:1-4 KJV
1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3. And this will we do, if God permit.

So the danger of deviating (falling aside from ) these foundational doctrines that God may not allow them to "go onto perfection" or mature doctrines. Really has nothing to do with "falling away" from salvation. It is "deviating" from the elementary doctrines.

 

[SeventhFisherofMen]

So can a Believer "fall away " ?

Are you asking me if a believer can choose something other than Jesus? The answer is yes. But we don't look down when walking the straight and narrow and we don't focus on fear, we look straight ahead at Jesus who walks with us every step of the way.

It reminds me of this:

We do not follow Jesus for fear of Hell, but for hope of Heaven to be with Jesus our spiritual Spouce. We are the church and therefor the bride of Christ, we must trust that if we walk with Him we will be ok and He will protect us as a husband jealously protects His wife.

This took some time to realize because I am a man and the thought of belonging to Christ as His bride is tough to picture, but we are the church and it is an analogy and a picture.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Fell from what ????

The "fall" is referring back to the context —to what happened to those examples given. 1 Corinthians 10. Start at verse one, the Children of Israel and their rebellion, and its results.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I thought "Falling Away" was a impossibility????

One who supposes himself a believer, that is depending on his own decision for security, may well fall away. But the Born Again won't ultimately fall away. God began it, and God will finish it. Therefore, take heed that you pursue Christ, and not be as they were. Find yourself "in Christ".

 

[BurningBush84]

So can a "Believer" , "fall away" ?

What about James 2:10 ?

 

[BurningBush84]

One who supposes himself a believer, that is depending on his own decision for security, may well fall away. But the Born Again won't ultimately fall away. God began it, and God will finish it. Therefore, take heed that you pursue Christ, and not be as they were. Find yourself "in Christ".

What about Luke 8:13 ? Jesus said in John 3:16 and Mark 16:16 whoever "believes". Luke 8:13 said they "believed".

 

[BurningBush84]

In the epistle to the Hebrews(6), Paul presents a hypothetical scenario as to what would happen to the Doctrine of "Repentance from dead works" if the daily sacrifice was inserted into the "foundational doctrines." Adding the daily sacrifice into our doctrine of repentance would require that Jesus return to earth and be crucified every day. Of course that will never happen, and therefore there will "remain no more sacrifice for our sins," and therefore it would be "impossible to renew them to repentance. " This is merely a hypothetical scenario showing the unworkableness of this doctrinal "deviation." That is the real meaning of "fall away" in Heb 6:6.
The consequences of this "deviation" from the foundational doctrine of repentance from dead works is to not be allowed to move on to the mature doctrines beyond the elementary doctrines listed in 6:1-3.

Hebrews 6:1-4 KJV
1. Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2. Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3. And this will we do, if God permit.

So the danger of deviating (falling aside from ) these foundational doctrines that God may not allow them to "go onto perfection" or mature doctrines. Really has nothing to do with "falling away" from salvation. It is "deviating" from the elementary doctrines.

What about James 2:10 and Romans 7 ?