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So God says "there are some bad adaptations, and there are some good adaptations" - ready to listen?

I can understand a choice of...

  • mutations, but not adaptations or survival more

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  • populations of survival, but not recognizable or foreshadowed

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  • adaptations, but not good or bad

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  • evolutions, but not resurrected or raised

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  • selection pressures, but not instinct or guidance

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  • methods of understanding, which these all are or will be

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Gottservant

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Hi there,

So we are all born with instinct, this is nothing "new". But what we are not predisposed to is receiving instruction from God. If we have instruction we do not do it, and doing it we do not do it correctly. This is just the fallen state of the world - not that you necessarily call it fallen, there is just better hope in the future, than there has been in the past. We were from the past, and in the past we committed to do something in the future, which we could not do previously. Evolution is just one example, of a series of choices that we come to make, which taken together, result in a different interpretation of what we have been given - than what we initially wanted to be.

This is the confession we have to make: that we did not begin doing the will of God, the way we should have, nor did we continue in it the way we should have, because we had become a slave to the error we first found (lacking wisdom, in principle, let the reader note). If we are able to make the confession, then we are able to open our eyes, that some things are bad, even if they are developed, and some things are good, in part because they are developed the right way. This is the miracle of God, that when we confess our sins, we are able to resist the adaptations that are bad and encourage the adaptations that are good.

Jacob did this with his flocks when he wanted to get the upper hand over Laban: setting up a sign that speckles for goats were good (from memory), so that he could have a greater share of the flock (while Laban took the goats that were not speckled). This was a latent potential for change, which Jacob tapped into, by faith. The goats had more speckles, because of the sign Jacob erected. This is the power of God, that the goats were promised greater welcome, if they heeded the sign of the speckles. The power of this is remarkable, and in our lives it is the same thing, but with sin. Sin is choosing a bad adaptation, when you know you should be choosing a good adaptation.

Now, sometimes, there are no good alternatives to choose from, but that is not the end of the matter: we can still endure the bad adaptation, until the good adaptation becomes apparent, and then switch to a good adaptation. That is the whole point of confession, if we are ready to change, we are innocent before God. More can be said of the one that waits for change to be good, than for the one whose every good is given by preexisting good adaptations. If that were not so, good adaptations would not be able to change! This is the release, that all things are open to change, but that which changes being able to change. The mistake Evolutionists make, is to say "now that I have changed, I have no need to show allegiance to the One who made the change possible" when the One who made the change possible, was essentially giving a choice of good adaptations. Even then, refusing to receive the choice is not wrong, as long as you do not presume to know increasingly the mostly better.

The price of this is that the One who gives the choice, may never ultlimately receive the choice back: but to surrender in this, is to ensure that at the very least the One who gave the choice will be returned to Heaven, where the root of all choices are. This is miraculous! We have the power to ask for greater and greater choices of good adaptations, less and less of the bad. In other words we are empowered, by Evolution, to keep our word and draw upon the progress we have made, from the beginning. If we do this consistently, the need to mutate, will e-v-a-p-o-r-a-t-e. Supposing that they will be useful at some later point, then begins to make no sense. The very rate at which mutations are unjammed becomes something that evolves - the members of the species that have the highest rates of eliminating mutation, will be chosen over those that have less (lesser rate)!

This should give you some sense of the power of God, who is able to give you good acceptable choices of adaptation, or pernicious, difficult choices of adaptation. Everything with God is Yes and Amen. We are free to take on greater challenge or less, and to repent when we contradict God's will - as you all will have to "repent", if you have believed in Evolution but without the concept of choice (you may have done it in ignorance - that being the case you will be chastened less). We carry this out, to the end - it is the Great Respect (that is, what pertains to the Cross and what does not). God will tell you when it is time to change, such is the nature of His Power - what we must not have is a block in our heart, that prevents us from being ready for the choice to change.

I hope you get the basic point, that we have a choice even between numbers of choices.
 

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Evolution is just one example, of a series of choices that we come to make,

No it isn't.

[The rest was just some sort of weird theological rambling with no relation to the subject of this forum.]
 
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Hi there,

So we are all born with instinct, this is nothing "new". But what we are not predisposed to is receiving instruction from God. If we have instruction we do not do it, and doing it we do not do it correctly. This is just the fallen state of the world - not that you necessarily call it fallen, there is just better hope in the future, than there has been in the past. We were from the past, and in the past we committed to do something in the future, which we could not do previously. Evolution is just one example, of a series of choices that we come to make, which taken together, result in a different interpretation of what we have been given - than what we initially wanted to be.

This is the confession we have to make: that we did not begin doing the will of God, the way we should have, nor did we continue in it the way we should have, because we had become a slave to the error we first found (lacking wisdom, in principle, let the reader note). If we are able to make the confession, then we are able to open our eyes, that some things are bad, even if they are developed, and some things are good, in part because they are developed the right way. This is the miracle of God, that when we confess our sins, we are able to resist the adaptations that are bad and encourage the adaptations that are good.

Jacob did this with his flocks when he wanted to get the upper hand over Laban: setting up a sign that speckles for goats were good (from memory), so that he could have a greater share of the flock (while Laban took the goats that were not speckled). This was a latent potential for change, which Jacob tapped into, by faith. The goats had more speckles, because of the sign Jacob erected. This is the power of God, that the goats were promised greater welcome, if they heeded the sign of the speckles. The power of this is remarkable, and in our lives it is the same thing, but with sin. Sin is choosing a bad adaptation, when you know you should be choosing a good adaptation.

Now, sometimes, there are no good alternatives to choose from, but that is not the end of the matter: we can still endure the bad adaptation, until the good adaptation becomes apparent, and then switch to a good adaptation. That is the whole point of confession, if we are ready to change, we are innocent before God. More can be said of the one that waits for change to be good, than for the one whose every good is given by preexisting good adaptations. If that were not so, good adaptations would not be able to change! This is the release, that all things are open to change, but that which changes being able to change. The mistake Evolutionists make, is to say "now that I have changed, I have no need to show allegiance to the One who made the change possible" when the One who made the change possible, was essentially giving a choice of good adaptations. Even then, refusing to receive the choice is not wrong, as long as you do not presume to know increasingly the mostly better.

The price of this is that the One who gives the choice, may never ultlimately receive the choice back: but to surrender in this, is to ensure that at the very least the One who gave the choice will be returned to Heaven, where the root of all choices are. This is miraculous! We have the power to ask for greater and greater choices of good adaptations, less and less of the bad. In other words we are empowered, by Evolution, to keep our word and draw upon the progress we have made, from the beginning. If we do this consistently, the need to mutate, will e-v-a-p-o-r-a-t-e. Supposing that they will be useful at some later point, then begins to make no sense. The very rate at which mutations are unjammed becomes something that evolves - the members of the species that have the highest rates of eliminating mutation, will be chosen over those that have less (lesser rate)!

This should give you some sense of the power of God, who is able to give you good acceptable choices of adaptation, or pernicious, difficult choices of adaptation. Everything with God is Yes and Amen. We are free to take on greater challenge or less, and to repent when we contradict God's will - as you all will have to "repent", if you have believed in Evolution but without the concept of choice (you may have done it in ignorance - that being the case you will be chastened less). We carry this out, to the end - it is the Great Respect (that is, what pertains to the Cross and what does not). God will tell you when it is time to change, such is the nature of His Power - what we must not have is a block in our heart, that prevents us from being ready for the choice to change.

I hope you get the basic point, that we have a choice even between numbers of choices.
Stop phasing your statements as if you are willing learn or listen to others. It's dishonest.

People have repeatedly pointed out the false statements you repeatedly share and you have made no effort to learn.
 
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Evolution is just one example, of a series of choices that we come to make,
This is incorrect. ToE does not involve personal choice. Populations evolve not individuals. It’s a mechanical process where less fit organisms reproduce less than more fit organisms. There is no personal choice involved.
 
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Evolution is just one example, of a series of choices that we come to make, which taken together, result in a different interpretation of what we have been given - than what we initially wanted to be.
It appears that you have made your choice to deny the overwhelming science behind evolution while affirming creationist pseudoscience.
The price of this is that the One who gives the choice, may never ultlimately receive the choice back: but to surrender in this, is to ensure that at the very least the One who gave the choice will be returned to Heaven, where the root of all choices are.
It's a false dichotomy in light of the majority of Christians that affirm the theories of evolution and natural selection.
 
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The tree of knowledge of good and evil, did not just reveal one knowledge "concept".

You are claiming you know better than the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, by keeping one concept ("Evolution").

The possibility of the knowledge of God and Spirit, was revealed and the idea behind it, conceptually, was that everything is divided between good and bad (including adaptations).

You can rubbish me for not "getting" your concept (of Evolution), but the concept of the division between good and bad (especially as pertains to adaptations) is far greater.
 
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