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I believe that was Abraham that the angel told. He was in the temple praying to God and was a believer. God was sort of telling him what he was to do so not really a good example at all.

Give me a valid example please. It would involve God going back in time and having a purpose to tell you a specific future. God is not foolish.
 
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Give me a valid example please. It would involve God going back in time and having a purpose to tell you a specific future. God is not foolish.

You didn't understand the question, it is not necessary for God to go back in time. It was not my question, but I will repeat it:

Could I choose to not eat the apple, even though God saw the future and said I would be eating the apple?

To clarify, imagine this scenario if you will: God appears to me today and says "I saw the future and I see that tomorrow you will eat an apple". The question was, knowing that, can I decide not to eat the apple?
 
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All I know is, I would love to have God with me at the sports book in Vegas.
 
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No, because you have forgotten He said that and you take a bite before you realize it.
 
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No, because you have forgotten He said that and you take a bite before you realize it.

You can't answer a simple question, can you? God comes to me and says, tomorrow you will eat an apple. He does not command it, he simply states it as a fact. Can I, knowing that, decide not to eat the apple? It is a simple yes or no.
 
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Does that "whatever" include "literal"?

AV, help me out here, I am sure you know the answer to this. God comes to me and says: tomorrow you will eat an apple. He does not command it, he simply states it as a fact. Can I, knowing that, decide not to eat the apple? It is a simple yes or no.
 
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You can't answer a simple question, can you? God comes to me and says, tomorrow you will eat an apple. He does not command it, he simply states it as a fact. Can I, knowing that, decide not to eat the apple? It is a simple yes or no.

1 Kings 13:2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.
 
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Still not answering the question.

God comes to me and says, tomorrow you will eat an apple. He does not command it, he simply states it as a fact. Can I, knowing that, decide not to eat the apple? It is a simple yes or no.
 
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No.
 
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You disappoint me... The answer would be yes if there was such thing free will. Here is a Biblical lesson for you: free will means that God knows our future but decides to let us change it (if we chose to do so).
 
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You disappoint me... The answer would be yes if there was such thing free will. Here is a Biblical lesson for you: free will means that God knows our future but decides to let us change it (if we chose to do so).

I said NO with respect to your request.

My full answer would have been:

You can most certainly decide not to, but tomorrow you will.

The thing about prophecies, is that anyone can make them -- they're a dime a dozen.

But when God makes one, it can't be prevented from happening.

Mark it down, if God said it, it WILL come to pass.
 
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I never said it was a prophecy, a command or anything of the sort. All I said was that God saw into the future and told me that tomorrow I would eat an apple.

If everything that Gods sees in the future happens, then our destinies (I really don't like that word) are pre-determined and there is no such thing as free will. If I decide not to eat the apple, but tomorrow I eat it anyways, there is no free will.
 
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Here's another example, AV: I apologize if I am not recalling correctly, but I believe you have stated that the word of God has always existed; in heaven prior to becoming the Bible on earth. Correct?

So, in light of that, could Judas have chosen not to betray Jesus? Peter to not deny him? Pilate to not sentence him? Etc. Etc. Etc.

If not, where is their free will?
 
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