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[Paradoxum]

What do you think of the SNP?

I'm English, but I kinda like the SNP (apart from wanting to split the union).

I suppose I like the idea of the UK being Scandinavian.

 

[Genersis]

The SNP are my third preference, behind the Greens and Plaid Cymru.
They remind me a bit of the Liberal Democrats pre-2010, but more left and with a nationalist streak, obviously.

They would get my vote if I lived north of the border.
I doubt they will push the issue of another independence referendum until 2020, or maybe after the next Scottish Parliament election.

They likely will push for more powers for Scotland with their MPs, but that doesn't bother me.

 

[Paradoxum]

The SNP are my third preference, behind the Greens and Plaid Cymru.
They remind me a bit of the Liberal Democrats pre-2010, but more left and with a nationalist streak, obviously.

They would get my vote if I lived north of the border.
I doubt they will push the issue of another independence referendum until 2020, or maybe after the next Scottish Parliament election.

They likely will push for more powers for Scotland with their MPs, but that doesn't bother me.

What I like the idea of is a 'progressive coalition'. Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, and Greens. I'd actually like the Lib Dems there too, but that seems unlikely.

I still like the Lib Dems... to me they seem well placed to take the best from the Tories and Labour, while also supporting liberty and civil rights.

If you are more left (than center) I see why the Lib Dems might seem not to go far enough.

If I were north of the border, I might vote SNP. I have no idea if I'd be nationalist if I were Scottish.

The Greens seem good in some ways, but I wonder if they are too radical.

I'm still considering whether to go Green or Lib Dem.

 

[High Fidelity]

I haven't looked in to them too much.

I'm voting Green this year at least.

P.S. cool sig, I'm at episode 18

 

[Paradoxum]

I haven't looked in to them too much.

I'm voting Green this year at least.

They seem cool.

P.S. cool sig, I'm at episode 18

Thanks! I saw them all like 7 years ago, and I'm watching them again now.

I got a bit of a crush on Light the first time, and wanted him to win.

(I'm not like Misa, honestly :s )

 

[Genersis]

What I like the idea of is a 'progressive coalition'. Labour, SNP, Plaid Cymru, and Greens. I'd actually like the Lib Dems there too, but that seems unlikely.

I still like the Lib Dems... to me they seem well placed to take the best from the Tories and Labour, while also supporting liberty and civil rights.

If you are more left (than center) I see why the Lib Dems might seem not to go far enough.

If I were north of the border, I might vote SNP. I have no idea if I'd be nationalist if I were Scottish.

The Greens seem good in some ways, but I wonder if they are too radical.

I'm still considering whether to go Green or Lib Dem.

I can understand the view of the Greens being "too radical", they are a radical party(at least in British politics), but those radical views are in line with my own; excluding, as I've said previously in PMs, I'm not overly keen on their view on GM foods and potential to end up a bit new-agey.

I don't think they could ever be a major party(least not without a rightward shift), but if the election system was proportional, they'd definitely have a place in our politics.(say around 15% of the vote and ergo a similar amount of representation).

In a Tory/LibDem contested seat I'd understand voting LibDem, and possibly would myself if I resided in one.

 

[Paradoxum]

I can understand the view of the Greens being "too radical", they are a radical party(at least in British politics), but those radical views are in line with my own; excluding, as I've said previously in PMs, I'm not overly keen on their view on GM foods and potential to end up a bit new-agey.

I don't think they could ever be a major party(least not without a rightward shift), but if the election system was proportional, they'd definitely have a place in our politics.(say around 15% of the vote and ergo a similar amount of representation).

In a Tory/LibDem contested seat I'd understand voting LibDem, and possibly would myself if I resided in one.

Fair enough. I hope we get proportional representation.

 

[Genersis]

Fair enough. I hope we get proportional representation.

I hope so too.
Though it looks like at this rate nothing short of a coalition of the smaller parties and other organisations supporting a popular protest movement could bring about this change.

Labour's proposal for a "Constitutional Convention" and reformed House of Lords look like the only possible avenues for implementation of PR in the near future, even then, I'm sceptical.

 

[Liberasit]

What do you think of the SNP?

I'm English, but I kinda like the SNP (apart from wanting to split the union).

I suppose I like the idea of the UK being Scandinavian.

Can't stand them.

Left of a left thing and totally self-serving.

No idea of what side their bread is buttered on.

Want to shake my relatives who are taken in by them.

 

[Oafman]

Yeah it made quite a refreshing change to have opinions from the left in English political discourse. I miss the days when the Labour party used to fulfill that role, but that's a long time ago.

 

[theFijian]

Nationalism has a very authoritarian, illiberal, un-progressive history, the new fruits of which you can see if you look closely enough at some of the SNPs Holyrood policies and actions (ie Alex salmond refusing to meet the Dalai Lama, ban on all internal dissent within the SNP, named person legislation, national ID databases)

Not to mention the irony of dispensing with one union, only to rush blindly into another seems lost on many nationalists.

 

[Paradoxum]

Nationalism has a very authoritarian, illiberal, un-progressive history, the new fruits of which you can see if you look closely enough at some of the SNPs Holyrood policies and actions (ie Alex salmond refusing to meet the Dalai Lama, ban on all internal dissent within the SNP, named person legislation, national ID databases)

Not to mention the irony of dispensing with one union, only to rush blindly into another seems lost on many nationalists.

I don't like the idea of nationalism, but the SNP doesn't seem particularly illiberal to me. It may have some issues, but it could be worse.

I'd think Scottish independence would be similar to Australian independence, than supremacist nationalism.

 

[Paradoxum]

Can't stand them.

Left of a left thing and totally self-serving.

What?

Yeah it made quite a refreshing change to have opinions from the left in English political discourse. I miss the days when the Labour party used to fulfill that role, but that's a long time ago.

I agree, not that I'm super-left.

 

[High Fidelity]

I think it's quite ironic that she failed at independence and is now campaigning to become the embodiment of what she campaigned against for independence.

"I'll serve the best interests of all in the UK". I suppose it's OK if her party's the one involving themselves in another country's internal affairs, then.

 

[theFijian]

I don't like the idea of nationalism, but the SNP doesn't seem particularly illiberal to me.

Scratch beneath the populist rhetoric and there's plenty there (ie. analyse their record in government) Stalinist style restrictions on internal dissent would sound pretty illiberal to most people. I do find it intriguing that people see Scottish nationalism as far more acceptable than British nationalism.

It may have some issues, but it could be worse.

Hardly a ringing endorsement since you could say that about pretty much any government.

 

[ConfuseddotCom]

Well the people of Scotland spoke - loud and proud with a united voice!

 

[theFijian]

Well the people of Scotland spoke - loud and proud with a united voice!

Yes, back in September.