SN1987A

[AV1611VET]

Just my thoughts on SN1987A, FWIW:

SN1987A: A blue supergiant star, created in BC4004 in the hollow of God's hand for the angel Sanduleak, i.e. his home. SN1987A was then 'ballooned' to the distance of 168,000 light years distance from the earth, with its starlight kept intact on the earth, when God stretched the universe.

Psalm 104:2b who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Circa 2300 B.C., Sanduleak leaves his home and comes to earth and marries a woman here; settling down and having [giant] children.

God destroys the world with a global flood and confines Sanduleak to:

Jude 6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

God then destroys Sanduleak's home (the supergiant star), circa 2345 B.C. and moves the light from its destruction across space for "discovery" on 23 February 1987.

And all the while, science took hikes as necessary.

 

[RickG]

Just my thoughts on SN1987A, FWIW:

SN1987A: A blue supergiant star, created in BC4004 in the hollow of God's hand for the angel Sanduleak, i.e. his home. SN1987A was then 'ballooned' to the distance of 168,000 light years distance from the earth, with its starlight kept intact on the earth, when God stretched the universe.

Psalm 104:2b who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Circa 2360 B.C., Sanduleak leaves his home and comes to earth and marries a woman here; settling down and having [giant] children.

God destroys the world with a global flood and confines Sanduleak to:

Jude 6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

God then destroys Sanduleak's home (the supergiant star), and moves the light from its destruction across space for "discovery" on 23 February 1987.

And all the while, science took hikes as necessary.

That means that star went supernovae 168,000 years ago. I gather 163,071 of those years are embedded?

 

[AV1611VET]

That means that star went supernovae 168,000 years ago. I gather 163,071 of those years are embedded?

Read the OP again, please.

I made a couple of minor adjustments to allow for a generation of cohabitation.

To correct your way of thinking, the star went supernovae 168,000 light years away, not 168,000 years ago.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Is there any evidence that Psalm 104:2b is a literal description, and not just a poetic flourish?

Also, if science can take a hike, how can it simultaneously be used as a source of information about Sn1987a?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is there any evidence that Psalm 104:2b is a literal description, and not just a poetic flourish?

It's more than just Psalm 104 though.

Chuck Missler shows 14 passages from the Scriptures pertaining to the universe being stretched.

Also, if science can take a hike, how can it simultaneously be used as a source of information about Sn1987a?

I have no qualms with using the conclusions that science comes to, such as the age of the earth or the age of the universe.

I need some reference point, don't I?

Otherwise, people would be asking me how far SN1987A is from the earth.

What would I tell them?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It's more than just Psalm 104 though.

Chuck Missler shows 14 passages from the Scriptures pertaining to the universe being stretched.

Was this conclusion reached before, or after, the scientific theory of an expanding universe?

I have no qualms with using the conclusions that science comes to, such as the age of the earth or the age of the universe.

I need some reference point, don't I?

Otherwise, people would be asking me how far SN1987A is from the earth.

What would I tell them?

"I don't know". Unless its distance is somehow foundational, not knowing shouldn't pose a problem.

The converse happens to me: if I can't give a complete and exhaustive account of the origin of absolutely everything, then, they say, atheism is wholly untenable...

But, it seems contradictory to both dismiss and utilise science. Does science take a hike, or can we use it to know the distance?

 

[Ubogion]

adding to the bible again i see

 

[AV1611VET]

Was this conclusion reached before, or after, the scientific theory of an expanding universe?

After ... which is what it should be.

Does science take a hike, or can we use it to know the distance?

You can use science to know the distance, not the time; that's why I said:

To correct your way of thinking, the star went supernovae 168,000 light years away, not 168,000 years ago.

'168,000 light years away' does not contradict the Bible; '168,000 years ago' does.

 

[AV1611VET]

adding to the bible again i see

Nope.

 

[Freodin]

You can use science to know the distance, not the time; that's why I said:

'168,000 light years away' does not contradict the Bible; '168,000 years ago' does.

How do you use science to know the distance? How do you know that none of the information that you gain by scientific methods was created by God in situ?

If I claimed that SN1987a was only 150ly away - and "God did it" for anything "scientific" that said otherwise, how would you conter that?

 

[DaneaFL]

riiiight... because the verse "who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain" isn't in reference to the glass canopy that the ancient Hebrews believed covered the earth... oh no...

It was actually a reference to this:

Funny how we never thought to make this connection until AFTER 1929 when Edwin Hubble discovered that the universe was indeed expanding.

Why can't the bible ever seem to make earth-shattering scientific breakthroughs BEFORE scientists do? curious...

 

[Cromulent]

AV, for someone who supposedly respects the authority of the bible, you certainly have no problem at all completely mutilating what it says.

Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

Looks like you're not really supposed to just make stuff up where the bible's concerned. Does that mean you're going to stop?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Just my thoughts on SN1987A, FWIW:

SN1987A: A blue supergiant star, created in BC4004 in the hollow of God's hand for the angel Sanduleak, i.e. his home. SN1987A was then 'ballooned' to the distance of 168,000 light years distance from the earth, with its starlight kept intact on the earth, when God stretched the universe.

Psalm 104:2b who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:

Circa 2300 B.C., Sanduleak leaves his home and comes to earth and marries a woman here; settling down and having [giant] children.

God destroys the world with a global flood and confines Sanduleak to:

Jude 6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

God then destroys Sanduleak's home (the supergiant star), circa 2345 B.C. and moves the light from its destruction across space for "discovery" on 23 February 1987.

And all the while, science took hikes as necessary.

Neat fanfic.

 

[RickG]

Read the OP again, please.

I made a couple of minor adjustments to allow for a generation of cohabitation.

To correct your way of thinking, the star went supernovae 168,000 light years away, not 168,000 years ago.

You can use science to know the distance, not the time; that's why I said:

The unit itself describes distance over time. The distance in which light travels in one Earth year. The speed of light is a physical constant. You can't pick and choose what science you want to recognize and what science you wish to ignore.

Perhaps you might ask yourself why you are so liberal in making a claim of an astronomical event in relation to scripture from the bible written at different times, but are unwilling to accept the scientific factual order of events in conflict with Genesis 1.

You do realize that SN1987 occurred the Magellanic cloud which is seen only in the Southern Hemisphere don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, for someone who supposedly respects the authority of the bible, you certainly have no problem at all completely mutilating what it says.

Deuteronomy 4:2
"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

Looks like you're not really supposed to just make stuff up where the bible's concerned. Does that mean you're going to stop?

I'm not going to put a Bible verse behind each and every point.

I've already explained how God:

1. created the stars
2. named the stars
3. put the stars in the order we see them today
4. stretched the stars to their current locations

Do you believe ... (or believe that some believe) ... that God put the plan of salvation in the stars? (Psalm 19:1-6)

 

[AV1611VET]

The unit itself describes distance over time. The distance in which light travels in one Earth year. The speed of light is a physical constant. You can't pick and choose what science you want to recognize and what science you wish to ignore.

Perhaps you might ask yourself why you are so liberal in making a claim of an astronomical event in relation to scripture from the bible written at different times, but are unwilling to accept the scientific factual order of events in conflict with Genesis 1.

You do realize that SN1987 occurred the Magellanic cloud which is seen only in the Southern Hemisphere don't you?

I've given a scenario that I think settles the matter about the light we see from SN1987A; all this other stuff about Magellan and other things are side issues, as far as I'm concerned.

God destroyed the homes of the angels that kept not their first estate, and has made sure we 'get the picture' in these last days.

As someone from AiG once said, they see a beautiful supernova in space; we see a star in its death throes ... a testament to the universal effect sin has on God's creation.

 

[Cromulent]

I'm not going to put a Bible verse behind each and every point.

I've already explained how God:

1. created the stars
2. named the stars
3. put the stars in the order we see them today
4. stretched the stars to their current locations

Do you believe ... (or believe that some believe) ... that God put the plan of salvation in the stars? (Psalm 19:1-6)

No, you've made up a lot of stuff based on your interpretation of the bible, and adding in a lot more (Neptune is a big ball of death water as a warning to rogue angels FROM SPACE! Really?!), which is in direct contradiction to Deuteromony 4-2.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, you've made up a lot of stuff based on your interpretation of the bible, and adding in a lot more (Neptune is a big ball of death water as a warning to rogue angels FROM SPACE! Really?!), which is in direct contradiction to Deuteromony 4-2.

If this is what you're getting at, I'll take your point with a grain of salt.

 

[CabVet]

'168,000 light years away' does not contradict the Bible; '168,000 years ago' does.

Light-year is as much a unit of time as it is of distance, it does not matter if you call it "away" or "ago". If you want to express just distance, just to make it clear convert that to km or miles and say that God also created a beam of light when he created the star. Something like this:

This star is located 1.58940277055609e+18km from earth. At the same time as He created the star, God created a beam of light 1.58940277055609e+18km long.

 

[Cromulent]

If this is what you're getting at, I'll take your point with a grain of salt.

And continue to make stuff up.