Smoking (Cigarettes, not Pot)

[FaithLikeARock]

Should it be illegal? Recently Obama signed over a lot of the control of the tobacco industry to the FDA, and because of that cigarettes are going up in price and some forms of cigarettes like cloves aren't being sold anymore at all.

So, should smoking be illegal? If it were to become illegal do you think people would quit or do you think it would be parallel to the alcohol prohibition way back when and simply create underground sales and turn cigarettes into the new street drug.

 

[Penumbra]

Should it be illegal? Recently Obama signed over a lot of the control of the tobacco industry to the FDA, and because of that cigarettes are going up in price and some forms of cigarettes like cloves aren't being sold anymore at all.

So, should smoking be illegal?

No, I don't think smoking should be illegal. I agree with heavy taxes, and I think it should be illegal in public places, though.

The only way, I think, to make it reasonably illegal in private residences would be if they have young children. It could be argued to be child abuse.

If it were to become illegal do you think people would quit or do you think it would be parallel to the alcohol prohibition way back when and simply create underground sales and turn cigarettes into the new street drug.

I think it would be parallel to alcohol prohibition. To some extent there is already a small illegal market for cigarettes because of the regulations and high taxes. Smugglers can pay to have cigarettes smuggled in, and make a profit, all while charging a price lower than taxes allow for legal cigarettes.

-Lyn

 

[FaithLikeARock]

No, I don't think smoking should be illegal. I agree with heavy taxes, and I think it should be illegal in public places, though.

The only way, I think, to make it reasonably illegal in private residences would be if they have young children. It could be argued to be child abuse.

I think it would be parallel to alcohol prohibition. To some extent there is already a small illegal market for cigarettes because of the regulations and high taxes. Smugglers can pay to have cigarettes smuggled in, and make a profit, all while charging a price lower than taxes allow for legal cigarettes.

-Lyn

I agree on the child abuse part. I have two baby cousins and I try not to smoke around them. I tell them to stay inside and play with my brother. (Which occasionally the 2-year-old ignores me and I waste a cigarette but he's just so cute). Did you hear the story about the father in I believe China who was teaching his 2-year-old how to smoke?

 

[mont974x4]

the government is outa control

 

[Penumbra]

I agree on the child abuse part. I have two baby cousins and I try not to smoke around them. I tell them to stay inside and play with my brother. (Which occasionally the 2-year-old ignores me and I waste a cigarette but he's just so cute). Did you hear the story about the father in I believe China who was teaching his 2-year-old how to smoke?

No, I didn't hear that story and it's terrible. :o

-Lyn

 

[FaithLikeARock]

the government is outa control

It would disappoint me more if Obama didn't smoke. I don't like it since I smoke too but I see where he's coming from.

 

[mont974x4]

It is none of the governments business. But then that doesn't matter to these clowns anyways. The founding fathers must be weeping when they see what has happened in this nation in the last few decades. No one reads the founding documents anymore.

 

[Penumbra]

It is none of the governments business. But then that doesn't matter to these clowns anyways. The founding fathers must be weeping when they see what has happened in this nation in the last few decades. No one reads the founding documents anymore.

A lot of them would have weeped if they lost their slaves in their lifetime, too.

-Lyn

 

[mont974x4]

Not really. most of them wanted the slaves freed.

People also need ot read the whole writings of our founders and see what they really thought, instead of swallowing the revisionist history spouted by those intent on destroying this nation.


back in topic....it is none of the governments business what I smoke, eat, or drink. The FDA and the DEA need to be trashed, for a start. Then on to the IRS and all of obama's czars need to be fired.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

I am going to say that it should not be illegal. If someone wants to smoke, that is their business. I support the banning of smoking in public areas (as it is in Georgia, you can not smoke inside of most any public buildings, including stores, bars, any restaurants, etc.), but I think stopping sale of any or all tobacco to of-age individuals shouldn't be done.

And I am annoyed at the passing of legislation that will make clove cigarettes non-purchasable in the US. They happened to be the only cigs I liked anyhow. But hey, at least I still can get hold of my cigars. (Although I rarely smoke, I do enjoy it on occasion.)

Edited: Apparently the common Brit-English slang for a cigarette is not allowed. lol I can see why, though.

 

[Penumbra]

Not really. most of them wanted the slaves freed.

People also need ot read the whole writings of our founders and see what they really thought, instead of swallowing the revisionist history spouted by those intent on destroying this nation.

Some of them wanted freed slaves, yes. Many of those same ones had slaves though and didn't want to release them because they needed their work. Others were against slaves.

back in topic....it is none of the governments business what I smoke, eat, or drink. The FDA and the DEA need to be trashed, for a start. Then on to the IRS and all of obama's czars need to be fired.

Are you in favor of smoking in public places where it can damage the health of others?

-Lyn

 

[ThatRobGuy]

No, I don't think smoking should be illegal. I agree with heavy taxes, and I think it should be illegal in public places, though.

The only way, I think, to make it reasonably illegal in private residences would be if they have young children. It could be argued to be child abuse.

I think it would be parallel to alcohol prohibition. To some extent there is already a small illegal market for cigarettes because of the regulations and high taxes. Smugglers can pay to have cigarettes smuggled in, and make a profit, all while charging a price lower than taxes allow for legal cigarettes.

-Lyn

I agree with almost everything you just said

I think that it should be legal in public places and if people don't like it, they just don't have go there. When my co-workers and I go out to the bar after work on a Friday, the 20 of us & the 80% in the bar that are smokers shouldn't have to go outside for the 5 people in the bar that don't like smoke, they're the minority in that setting and shouldn't have the final say. I hoped that Ohio would pass the "common sense" smoking ban like Indiana did, allowing smoking in establishments that have an age limit of 18. (bars, VFW halls, tobacco shops, & private clubs)

 

[The Nihilist]

Not really. most of them wanted the slaves freed.

People also need ot read the whole writings of our founders and see what they really thought, instead of swallowing the revisionist history spouted by those intent on destroying this nation.


back in topic....it is none of the governments business what I smoke, eat, or drink. The FDA and the DEA need to be trashed, for a start. Then on to the IRS and all of obama's czars need to be fired.

Calm down, dude. No one wants to destroy the United States.

Yeah, the FDA definitely needs to be trashed. Food fit for human consumption is for communists and men who know about skin care.

 

[Penumbra]

I agree with almost everything you just said

I think that it should be legal in public places and if people don't like it, they just don't have go there. When my co-workers and I go out to the bar after work on a Friday, the 20 of us & the 80% in the bar that are smokers shouldn't have to go outside for the 5 people in the bar that don't like smoke, they're the minority in that setting and shouldn't have the final say. I hoped that Ohio would pass the "common sense" smoking ban like Indiana did, allowing smoking in establishments that have an age limit of 18. (bars, VFW halls, tobacco shops, & private clubs)

It's not just at bars, though. I don't go to bars mainly because of smoke.

You can be at any public place and randomly get smoke in your face.

-Lyn

 

[FaithLikeARock]

It's not just at bars, though. I don't go to bars mainly because of smoke.

You can be at any public place and randomly get smoke in your face.

-Lyn

If it makes you feel better Pen, I try very hard not to smoke around people I don't know or people who I know don't like it. Around friends, I don't care so much since I know they don't care (unless they're one of the asthmatic ones). But around strangers I try. Kids especially.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I was at the ZOO the other day with a gaggle of kids and we had to walk through (not just past) a bunch of people milling around smoking. And this was in the Family area!! I think that's just ridiculous, especially given I have two very asthmatic kids.

I used to smoke. And when I did, I was responsible and careful about where I smoked. You would think that other people could do the same and we wouldn't have to pass laws legislating responsibility, but we do.

I don't think smoking should be made illegal, and it sucks that they're not selling cloves anymore. Anyone know the reason behind that? I really enjoyed those, although they were a little too much for my wallet to bear. But I do think the government should be able to regulate (within moderation) where smoking is allowed. I know that when I go to a bar, there will be smoke. I do not expect to have people blowing smoke in my face at a zoo.

I agree with almost everything you just said

I think that it should be legal in public places and if people don't like it, they just don't have go there. When my co-workers and I go out to the bar after work on a Friday, the 20 of us & the 80% in the bar that are smokers shouldn't have to go outside for the 5 people in the bar that don't like smoke, they're the minority in that setting and shouldn't have the final say. I hoped that Ohio would pass the "common sense" smoking ban like Indiana did, allowing smoking in establishments that have an age limit of 18. (bars, VFW halls, tobacco shops, & private clubs)

 

[Fin12]

I think smoking in public places should be legal...

If it is that much of a problem for non smokers why don't they set up their own establishments where you can't smoke.

I don't like getting drunk or sitting near drunk people, yet I still go into bars.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I think smoking in public places should be legal...

If it is that much of a problem for non smokers why don't they set up their own establishments where you can't smoke.

I don't like getting drunk or sitting near drunk people, yet I still go into bars.

This goes beyond establishments that allow smoking. I don't take my family to restaurants where they still allow smoking. My kids don't need that. When I'm walking down the sidewalk, I have no choice but to walk by the person smoking a cigarette. I once was walking into a bank and got a puff of smoke right in my face from someone smoking at the front entrance - and it was one of the workers. That's a bit different than me going into a bar and then complaining that there was smoking at the bar. There are places where smoking is okay and should not be illegal, and there are places where smoking is not okay and should not be legal.

 

[Fin12]

This goes beyond establishments that allow smoking. I don't take my family to restaurants where they still allow smoking. My kids don't need that. When I'm walking down the sidewalk, I have no choice but to walk by the person smoking a cigarette. I once was walking into a bank and got a puff of smoke right in my face from someone smoking at the front entrance - and it was one of the workers. That's a bit different than me going into a bar and then complaining that there was smoking at the bar. There are places where smoking is okay and should not be illegal, and there are places where smoking is not okay and should not be legal.

You know, the exact same is applicable to exhaust fumes.

Though I can definatly see where you are coming from.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

To PreachersWife204:

The whole clove thing is part of the ban on almost all flavoring/spices in smoking tobacco. It was supposedly to give less encouragement to young people wanting to smoke if the flavorings are gone, and all it is is the tobacco smoke flavor.

I will miss my cloves though. And peach cigars. mmm...may have to buy a box of those, which will take my ages to smoke anyway, before the law kicks in..