Skipping the Penitential Rite

[Tinkerbell222222]

At Mass today, we skipped the penitential rite.

...Is there any reason that this might be done?
Is it permissible?
Does it have anything to do with today being Pentecost?

 

[DiaconoGuillermo]

At Mass today, we skipped the penitential rite.

...Is there any reason that this might be done?
Is it permissible?
Does it have anything to do with today being Pentecost?

Please be a bit more detailed. Did they, perhaps, use a sprinkling rite?

 

[QuantaCura]

Did they still have the Kyrie (Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy)? There's an option where the Confiteor (I confess) can be ommitted.

 

[Sandlapper277]

Did they still have the Kyrie (Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy)? There's an option where the Confiteor (I confess) can be ommitted.

But that option involves getting quite wet!

As far as I'm aware, the Kyrie's can never be omitted, no matter how the Priest gets to them.

PS. What's the "Confiteor" thing you speak of? I haven't heard it in years.

 

[Tinkerbell222222]

No...there was nothing at all. No sprinkling, no Kyrie...
Come to think of it, I don't think we said the Nicene or Apostles' creed either.

There was the processional and then the priest welcomed us and then... there was the liturgy of the word. I was really thrown off. This is the first time I've gone to Mass at home (in Arizona)...and it just really confused me.

 

[Sandlapper277]

No...there was nothing at all. No sprinkling, no Kyrie...
Come to think of it, I don't think we said the Nicene or Apostles' creed either.

There was the processional and then the preist welcomed us and then...we prayed for the sick and then there was the liturgy of the word. I was really thrown off. This is the first time I've gone to Mass at home (in Arizona)...and it just really confused me.

Bizarre. No Gloria either?

 

[QuantaCura]

But that option involves getting quite wet!

I think there's a third option where there's a little prayer before each "Lord/Chrst have mercy."

PS. What's the "Confiteor" thing you speak of? I haven't heard it in years.

Wasn't sure if you were being tongue in cheek or not Here is how it is in the current Roman rite:

I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my deeds, by what I have done and what I have failed to do. And I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and to you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord Our God.

 

[Sandlapper277]

I think there's a third option where there's a little prayer before each "Lord/Chrst have mercy."



Wasn't sure if you were being tongue in cheek or not Here is how it is in the current Roman rite:

I confess to Almighty God and to you my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault, in my thoughts and in my deeds, by what I have done and what I have failed to do. And I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and to you my brothers and sisters to pray for me to the Lord Our God.

I was being quite tongue in cheek. Got a Priest who acts like he would melt if he ever had to say the Confiteor.

Tried to talk about him once, and got some nonsense about not wanting to make people feel bad about themselves.

 

[GorrionGris]

No...there was nothing at all. No sprinkling, no Kyrie...
Come to think of it, I don't think we said the Nicene or Apostles' creed either.

There was the processional and then the priest welcomed us and then... there was the liturgy of the word. I was really thrown off. This is the first time I've gone to Mass at home (in Arizona)...and it just really confused me.

Maybe your priest is getting old

 

[PetertheRock]

I was being quite tongue in cheek. Got a Priest who acts like he would melt if he ever had to say the Confiteor.

Tried to talk about him once, and got some nonsense about not wanting to make people feel bad about themselves.

Which is why we need to go back to the Latin Mass. Not only is the Confietor not optional it is said 3 times (Once by the priest, once by the altar servers/congregation, and another time just before Communion)

 

[GorrionGris]

Which is why we need to go back to the Latin Mass. Not only is the Confietor not optional it is said 3 times (Once by the priest, once by the altar servers/congregation, and another time just before Communion)

I don't see the relation, people can break any rules, no matter how strict they are written.

 

[AnnieG]

The Good Friday liturgy doesn't have a penitential rite.
But at the beginning of a Mass there should be one.

 

[a_ntv]

If the Mass is said with (into) the Liturgy of the Hours, the first part up to the priest first formal prayer is not said.

But you realize it becase there are the psalms said before the readings.

 

[UberLutheran]

Here I am, a Lutheran, and even in our services skipping the Penitential Rite is simply not done!

How is one supposed to partake in the Eucharist, in good conscience, without confession and forgiveness of sin?

 

[BAFRIEND]

I don't see the relation, people can break any rules, no matter how strict they are written.

I agree, once the Latin Rite comes back, who is going to hold the keys ? The same ones who have abused NOM.

 

[LightHearted]

Bump for DiaconoGuillermo... I'm curious to hear your answer.

 

[DiaconoGuillermo]

Bump for DiaconoGuillermo... I'm curious to hear your answer.

I was hoping that we might get more information before I wrote a response. In is absence I can only offer some speculation. Given that Sunday was Pentecost I doubt that any priest would omit any essential rite of the Mass, most particularly the Penitential rite. That being said there are three ordinary Penitential rites from which he might choose.


A) All may say
I Confess to almighty God....
Then the priest says the absolution


B) The priest Says
Lord, we have sinned against you
Lord, have mercy
The people answer
Lord, have mercy
Priest
Lord, show us your mercy and love.
People
And grant us your salvation.
The priest says the absolution


C) The priest says
An invocation
Lord, have mercy
The people answer
Lord, have mercy
Priest
An invocation
Christ, have mercy
People
Christ, mercy
Priest
An invocation
Lord, have mercy
People
Lord, have mercy
The priest says the absolution


It has been my experience that rite B is the least often used and rite C is the most often used in English speaking communities while rite A is the most often used in Hispanic communities,


The Penitential Rite is not used if the Sprinkling Rite is used, especially during the Mass on the Vigil of Easter (required). This rite can be optionally used at any Mass and, my parish at least, it is commonly used during the Season of Easter.


If the Mass incorporates the Sacrament of Baptism the public renunciation of sin from the Rite of Baptism may replace the penitential rite and the declaration of faith from the same rite my stand in the stead of the Creed.


It should be noted that in these two cases for pastoral reasons they may come after the Homily rather than before (again see the Liturgy of the Vigil of Easter as the prototype). Finally note that Pentecost is a much favored day for Baptism of infants in many communities.

 

[LightHearted]

I was hoping that we might get more information before I wrote a response. In is absence I can only offer some speculation.

I love having you on this website. To date, your responses have been very well thought out, and enlightening. Thanks for the response.