Sin?

Gilbert Switzer · May 17, 2005

Is it a sin to have an Anna Kournikova calendar in my kitchen?

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Gilbert Switzer said:
Is it a sin to have an Anna Kournikova calendar in my kitchen?

no why would it be?

Bizzlebin Imperatoris · May 17, 2005

Gilbert Switzer said:
Is it a sin to have an Anna Kournikova calendar in my kitchen?

Sin is not defined by actions x, y and z. Sin is that which seperates us from God, who is life. You must decide for yourself if it interferes with your relationship with God, if it causes you to fall into impurity.

Gilbert Switzer · May 17, 2005

I don't think it's a sin, because she doesn't have breast implants.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with being sexy.

Seriously, though, Bizzlebin, thank-you for your answer. That is a very beautiful way to look at it. I am liking the Orthodox Church (the Church of Dostoevsky) more and more.

Chavez · May 17, 2005

Gilbert Switzer said:
I don't think it's a sin, because she doesn't have breast implants.

I also don't think there's anything wrong with being sexy.

Seriously, though, Bizzlebin, thank-you for your answer. That is a very beautiful way to look at it. I am liking the Orthodox Church (the Church of Dostoevsky) more and more.

If that calendar brings to mind sexual lusts and imagining all sorts of sexual scenarios with her..then yes.
If not..I say no it's not a sin.

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
If that calendar brings to mind sexual lusts and imagining all sorts of sexual scenarios with her..then yes.
If not..I say no it's not a sin.

that doesn't make it a sin that makes it a stumbling block. these are 2 diffrent things that take 2 diffrent sceniros to take care of.

wayfaring man · May 17, 2005

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:
Sin is not defined by actions x, y and z. Sin is that which seperates us from God, who is life. You must decide for yourself if it interferes with your relationship with God, if it causes you to fall into impurity.

Agreeing with this , yet adding , we are counselled to consider how things affect others as well as how they might affect ourself .

As it is written -

Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

<-----> 1st Corinthians Chapter 8

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Chavez · May 17, 2005

chris_J_N said:
that doesn't make it a sin that makes it a stumbling block. these are 2 diffrent things that take 2 diffrent sceniros to take care of.

Agreed.
But if it causes you to sin each time then it is best for the calendar not to be there.

Gilbert Switzer · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
Agreed.
But if it causes you to sin each time then it is best for the calendar not to be there.

Not each time, no... but once in a while. Maybe I should just marry her.

Seriously, though, the only thing that can stop me from sinning is an overabundance of prozac and all of it's side effects.

If looking at fit women running around in short skirts is such a terrible thing, then why did God invent tennis??

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Gilbert Switzer said:
Not each time, no... but once in a while. Maybe I should just marry her.

ha ha i don't think you wanna do that

Seriously, though, the only thing that can stop me from sinning is an overabundance of prozac and all of it's side effects.

he he prozac AKA the anti sin drug ha ha

If looking at fit women running around in short skirts is such a terrible thing, then why did God invent tennis??

Amen!!!

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
Agreed.
But if it causes you to sin each time then it is best for the calendar not to be there.

oh yeah i know but i think he will have to encounter sexaul temtation either way. it may be best to figure out how to fight such a thing rather than just getting rid of one thing and still have 999,999,999 temtations out there anyway. it is best to take care of the thing as a whole and know how to fight it so he doesn't have to avoid sexaul situations.

there is a way to fight it the key to remember is it is a physical fight not a spiritail one. you are fighting against your own flesh not demon sprirts. so of course rebuking spirits and other such things when tempted is an inaffective way to fight it. instead you need to find a way to get yourself less aroused.

Chavez · May 17, 2005

What better way to start than with the obvious temptation right?

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
What better way to start than with the obvious temptation right?

yeah of course. however to get rid of a certain temptation is not the answer the answer is to find a way to fight against it. no matter what you are ALWAYS gonna face this kinda temptation. the only way to avoid it is to lock yourself in a dark room for the rest of your life.

don't get me wrong i am all for getting rid of stumbling blocks. i just think it would be ineffective for this kinda thing since you are gonna face it anyways. the answer is to find a certain way to fight it where you can stand strong in ANY sexaul situation.

i have alot of experince in sexaul temptation and i am talking from experince. takiling each and every vision of the oppisite sex isn't the answer. that is like extermanating a bug infested house by killing each and every bug one at a time. it just doesn't work.

Chavez · May 17, 2005

Yeh...ok i take your point.
But..I have struggled with it too.
and I would suggest the book Not Even A Hint by Joshua Harris.

We have to remove the things are dragging us down each time.

You need to fight it with God's help.
You going around taking all sexually oriented items out of your viewpoint isn't gonna work. You need to pray about it and ask God to keep you pure of heart.

I think lust is one of the worst things ever because it can sneak in without you suspecting it and it can dwell there without you ever thinking it's wrong.
Like wanting a guy to fancy you..and thinking about that guy..even though you know you shouldn't be with him.

I know personally..I've asked God to open my eyes as to where I'm falling down in my relationship with him.
This time last year He identified my obsession with music as my false idol and I believe this past year God has been tryin to teach me the dangers of lust!

One of my favourite quotes from that book:
"What a tragedy it is that I've sat idly by during movies and televisionshows and watched the very sin for which Christ had to die being laughed about, even celebrated."

We should take our walk with God seriously and not something that will just happen.

Fair enough not everyone struggles with it...but I know I do..
and it really is terrible.

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
Yeh...ok i take your point.
But..I have struggled with it too.
and I would suggest the book Not Even A Hint by Joshua Harris.

We have to remove the things are dragging us down each time.

You need to fight it with God's help.
You going around taking all sexually oriented items out of your viewpoint isn't gonna work. You need to pray about it and ask God to keep you pure of heart.

I think lust is one of the worst things ever because it can sneak in without you suspecting it and it can dwell there without you ever thinking it's wrong.
Like wanting a guy to fancy you..and thinking about that guy..even though you know you shouldn't be with him.

I know personally..I've asked God to open my eyes as to where I'm falling down in my relationship with him.
This time last year He identified my obsession with music as my false idol and I believe this past year God has been tryin to teach me the dangers of lust!

One of my favourite quotes from that book:
"What a tragedy it is that I've sat idly by during movies and televisionshows and watched the very sin for which Christ had to die being laughed about, even celebrated."

We should take our walk with God seriously and not something that will just happen.

Fair enough not everyone struggles with it...but I know I do..
and it really is terrible.

i think it's great you are doing all this for God. let me tell you something whenever you pray a prayer related to "how can i live for you in a better way" the end result will ALWAYS be an incredable passion for God you will later on devolop. i see it in you already. i am very happy that you are trying to live for Christ to your maxamom level. all i can say is be prepared to be used by him in an incredable way. God looks for people just like YOU. keep up the pace. God bless you.

wayfaring man · May 17, 2005

In addition -

Words are representative of of other things , they are not those things themselves .

Consequently , words can have multiple meanings / applications .

Consider some of the Hebrew and Greek words , and their definitions , which have been translated into the word " sin " .

From Stong's Concordance / Dictionary

H817
אשׁם
'âshâm
aw-shawm'
From H816; guilt; by implication a fault; also a sin offering: - guiltiness, (offering for) sin, trespass (offering).

H819
אשׁמה
'ashmâh
ash-maw'
Feminine of H817; guiltiness, a fault, the presentation of a sin offering: - offend, sin, (cause of) trespass (-ing, offering).

H2398
חטא
châṭâ'
khaw-taw'
A primitive root; properly to miss; hence (figuratively and generally) to sin; by inference to forfeit, lack, expiate, repent, (causatively) lead astray, condemn: - bear the blame, cleanse, commit [sin], by fault, harm he hath done, loss, miss, (make) offend (-er), offer for sin, purge, purify (self), make reconciliation, (cause, make) sin (-ful, -ness), trespassive

H2403
חטּאת חטּאה
chaṭṭâ'âh chaṭṭâ'th
khat-taw-aw', khat-tawth'
From H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: - punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).

H5771
עוון עון
‛âvôn ‛âvôn
aw-vone', aw-vone'
From H5753; perversity, that is, (moral) evil: - fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

H7686
שׁגה
shâgâh
shaw-gaw'
A primitive root; to stray (causatively mislead), usually (figuratively) to mistake, especially (morally) to transgress; by extension (through the idea of intoxication) to reel, (figuratively) be enraptured: - (cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander.

G264
ἁμαρτάνω
hamartanō
ham-ar-tan'-o
Perhaps from G1 (as a negative particle) and the base of G3313; properly to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), that is, (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin: - for your faults, offend, sin, trespass.

G266
ἁμαρτία
hamartia
ham-ar-tee'-ah
From G264; sin (properly abstract): - offence, sin (-ful).

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Now for the English definitions ( Please note " sin " can be a noun or a verb ) -

Compliment's Webster's Dictionary -

Main Entry: 1 - sin
Pronunciation: 'sin
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sinne, from Old English synn; akin to Old High German sunta sin and probably to Latin sont-, sons guilty, est is -- more at IS
1 a : an offense against religious or moral law b : an action that is or is felt to be highly reprehensible <it's a sin to waste food> c : an often serious shortcoming : FAULT
2 a : transgression of the law of God b : a vitiated state of human nature in which the self is estranged from God
synonym see OFFENSE

Main Entry: 2 - sin
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sinned; sin·ning
1 : to commit a sin
2 : to commit an offense or fault

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And last , but certainly Not least - some verses of Scripture which describe the nature of what sin is , it's range and limitations .

...Be sure your sin will find you out. <---> Numbers 32:23

When thou shalt vow a vow unto the LORD thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the LORD thy God will surely require it of thee; and it would be sin in thee.
But if thou shalt forbear to vow, it shall be no sin in thee. <-----> Deuteronomy 23:21+22

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king. <-----> 1st Samuel 15:23

If I rejoiced at the destruction of him that hated me, or lifted up myself when evil found him:
Neither have I suffered my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul. <-----> Job 31:29+30

In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise. <-----> Proverbs 10:19

Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people . <-----> Proverbs 14:34

Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth. <-----> Proverbs 19:2

An high look, and a proud heart, and the plowing of the wicked, is sin. <-----> Proverbs 21:4

The thought of foolishness is sin: and the scorner is an abomination to men. <-----> Proverbs 24:9

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. <-----> Ezekiel 18:20

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. <-----> Mathew 5:19

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. <-----> Mathew 12:35

Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh ! <-----> Matthew 18:7

Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven. <-----> Matthew 18:21+22

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. <-----> Luke 12:47+48

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. <-----> John 1:29

Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. <-----> John 5:14

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
<-----> John 8:7

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. <-----> John 8:10+11

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin . <-----> John 8:34

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? <-----> John 8:46 ( Words of Jesus )

And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. <-----> John 9:2+3

Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. <-----> John 9:41

If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. <-----> John 15:22

If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. <-----> John 15:24

And when he [ Holy Spirit ] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. <-----> John 16:8-11

[ See Romans Chapters 5,6,7+8 ]

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. <-----> Romans 14:23

Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. <-----> 1st Corinthians 6:14

But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. <-----> 1st Corinthians 8:12

Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. <-----> 1st Corinthians 15:34

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. <-----> 1st Corinthians 15:56

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. <-----> Galatians 3:22

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. <-----> Hebrews 3:13

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. <-----> Hebrews 4:15

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. <-----> Hebrews 10:26+27

By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season . <-----> Hebrews 11:24+25

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. <-----> Hebrews 12:1-6

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. <-----> James 1:12-15

But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. <-----> James 2:9

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. <-----> James 4:17

Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. <-----> 1st Peter 4:1+2

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time.
Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children . <-----> 2nd Peter 2:9-14

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin . <-----> 1st John 1:7

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous . <-----> 1st John 2:1

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. <-----> 1st John 3:4

And ye know that he [ Jesus ] was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. <-----> 1st John 3:5+6

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. <-----> 1st John 3:8+9

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not . <-----> 1st John 5:16-18

Peace and Joy , In The Beloved .

wm

Chavez · May 17, 2005

chris_J_N said:
i think it's great you are doing all this for God. let me tell you something whenever you pray a prayer related to "how can i live for you in a better way" the end result will ALWAYS be an incredable passion for God you will later on devolop. i see it in you already. i am very happy that you are trying to live for Christ to your maxamom level. all i can say is be prepared to be used by him in an incredable way. God looks for people just like YOU. keep up the pace. God bless you.

Wow...I'm really taken aback by that
*breather*

Thanks I guees??

God bless

chris_J_N · May 17, 2005

Chavez said:
Wow...I'm really taken aback by that
*breather*

Thanks I guees??

God bless

things like that excite me

SallyNow · May 17, 2005

It really depends on why you have the calendar...if it is to obsess about her, it's a bad idea. If it is because she's a good tennis player and makes your kitchen a little brighter, then there is nothing wrong with it.

I think women being able to see positive things about what their bodies are capable of...rather than unrealistic expectation on how they should look...is wonderful.

Gilbert Switzer · May 18, 2005

SallyNow said:
It really depends on why you have the calendar...if it is to obsess about her, it's a bad idea. If it is because she's a good tennis player and makes your kitchen a little brighter, then there is nothing wrong with it.

I need to be brutally honest with you all. This may come as a surprise but... it is because she's pretty and famous. :sigh:

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