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Silent prayers to Mary and the Saints

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My grandmother-in-law is a devout Catholic, and she prays the Rosary daily...

Silently...

In her head...

Now I love the Rosary. I pray the Rosary. But I do so out loud. What is Catholic teaching on silent prayers to Mary and the Saints? It's one thing for me to accept that they can hear all of our prayers at once; it's quite another to attribute mind reading abilities to them. That breaks my comfort big time.
 
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well Mary was assumed into heaven bodily, so she has her body, her physical ears and a brain that can proses sounds
but the vast majority of saints in heaven have not been resurrected yet
so they are just souls
so they do not have physical ears
so I do not think that sound waves have much effects on souls

so hearing prayers, either verbal or silent, does not have much to do with the physical faculties we associate with hearing sound vibrations

I do put "hearing prayers" (even silent prayers) in a separate category then just reading minds in general
like, one seems to be a type of intrusion
while the other seems a form of communication between souls

how do angels communicate with each other?

they are bodiless intellects
so it seems that souls have some kind of faculty to communicate with each other

in the end, the physics of the soul, and Heaven are a mystery to us
 
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Thanks Rhamiel. Is there anything official you can share with me; lead me to in the CCC or link me to in regards to the teaching on this?

Avila: You must understand that I am not Catholic, and many while many Lutherans do pray the Rosary (as did Luther frequently) and ask for intercessory prayers from Mary (and perhaps other Saints), many more - most, in fact - do not, and the practice is quite taboo; and the Book of Concord does not pull punches on "Saint Worship". So while I'm not alone, I'm certainly out of the ordinary, the norm, and this is not easy for me, being a Lutheran on the outside looking in. My journey has only just begun.
 
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I do not know any official teaching on this thing, sorry I can not be more helpful

the best I can offer is to show that it was never about sound
angels and the souls in heaven do not have ears or eyes because they do not have physical bodies

now after the resurrection the Saints will have their bodies back
but the angels still will not have bodies

so when Mary and the Angel Gabriel have their conversation as recorded in the Gospel according to St. Luke, it is a conversation between a human being with a physical body and a bodiless spirit
yet they have no trouble communicating

I am just going to say, that it is a mystery
I hope someone will be able to answer you better then I can
 
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First of all Mickhael, the Hail Mary's need to be re-included in The only version of The Holy Rosary that Jesus/God The Most High/The Holy Spirit (The Blessed Trinity) delivered to Saint Dominic in the year 1214 and to the Blessed Alan De La Roche again in 1260 by Jesus Christ our Saviour Himself and The Blessed Virgin Mary Herself.

The Holy Rosary is the Catholic Holy Rosary of which Jesus/God has "The Hail Mary's" without ever excluding these. It is after all our Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God's "Holy Rosary". Now this may appear on the outside that I am stating a 'religious statement' - a 'Catholic statement taken from a Catholic stance'. It is not my point.

The point of which I am making is that The Holy Rosary - the original non-man-made Holy Rosary given to mankind by Jesus Christ our Saviour Himself and our Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God through His priests - always includes The Hail Mary's without any substitution of any words or prayers within The Blessed Virgin Mary's Holy Rosary.

For many reasons of which I will address on your other thread whereby you are suggesting to Catholics that they pray the Lutheran or another version of The Blessed Virgin Mary's Holy Rosary that is most definitely 'man-made' and not received through Jesus Christ our Saviour nor The Blessed Virgin Mary.

The concern is that by encouraging Catholics or new Catholics to pray a different version of The Holy Rosary taught by Jesus and Mother Mary - this may have the potential to mis-lead new Catholics and/or take many Catholics away from praying the 'only true original correct Catholic version' of The Holy Rosary that Jesus/God has delivered for all mankind to pray.

There was no other version of The Holy Rosary delivered to mankind to pray Mikhael.

Here mankind has received one of the most special Holy Gifts from Jesus/God The Most High and our Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God for mankind to pray and have answered -the original Holy Rosary of which 'always' includes The Hail Mary Prayers' to our Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God.

In relation to people praying silently from their hearts or aloud from their hearts - why does this bother you when Jesus speaks to hearts and our Blessed Virgin Mary speaks to hearts 'quietly' instead of loudly?

Internally within our hearts.

The Blessed Virgin Mary quietens me down when I pray too loudly; from time to time and reminds me during prayer to constantly focus on Jesus' bitter Passion and His Sorrowful Stations of His Cross to open this heart of mine to feel Jesus' Love, receive Jesus speaking to my heart. If I am praying loudly then all I am hearing is my own voice like a gong. Not allowing my heart to hear Jesus speaking nor my Blessed Virgin Mary's Loving Holy voice.

Love and kindest wishes your sister in Jesus Christ our Saviour
 
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Thanks Rhamiel. Is there anything official you can share with me; lead me to in the CCC or link me to in regards to the teaching on this?

Avila: You must understand that I am not Catholic, and many while many Lutherans do pray the Rosary (as did Luther frequently) and ask for intercessory prayers from Mary (and perhaps other Saints), many more - most, in fact - do not, and the practice is quite taboo; and the Book of Concord does not pull punches on "Saint Worship". So while I'm not alone, I'm certainly out of the ordinary, the norm, and this is not easy for me, being a Lutheran on the outside looking in. My journey has only just begun.

it is never easy to go against the teachings that we are familiar with--Paul could agree upon that! He was a "Jew's Jew" if there ever was one.
And yet he dropped everything he had previously believed when confronted with the risen Christ on the road to Damascus.

New ideas, new discoveries, new ways of looking at Christ and God are sometimes difficult to accept at first. But if they lead you to God, and if they ring true with the bible, then accept them on faith until you are able to accept them in your heart.

God is not stingy with the truth, and will always provide us with enough proof if we are willing to accept His word.
Didn't He do so for Thomas? Didn't He also do so for the likewise doubting Apostles, when after fishing all night and catching nothing, Jesus told them where to cast their nets and they caught so many fish that the nets nearly broke?

If you have questions, rest assured that there are answers, that you aren't alone, and that the depths of God are limitless.:)
 
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I am sure God allows the saints in heaven to hear the prayers. :)

I generally pray the rosary daily out loud, but sometimes say it on a walk silently.
 
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Galilee, I primarily pray the BVM's Rosary. This is when I feel all of this. I thought we covered this already, but I guess I wasn't clear. I'll continue to pray also a Rosary using the Jesus Prayer as well.
 
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Well I feel stupid. It doesn't make sense that those unable to speak can't petition the Saints.

it is not stupid
look at how the Early Church had all out brawls over very fine points of theology
are images ok, what images are ok, what is the nature of Christ, human, divine, both? is Christ holy in spite of his human nature
ect ect ect
can saints hear silent prayers sounds like something from an early church council that would have had impassioned holy men taking up both sides

to be honest, it is something I never thought deeply on
I just assumed that those in the spiritual realm are not held back by the same things we are

as I kind of said before
I see "hearing mental prayers" in a different class then "reading minds"
it is said that the devil can not read our mind
many theologians have stated this
but I think if we PROJECT our thoughts as prayers to spiritual beings, good or evil, they can pick up on it

oh I hope I am not sounding too new age-y

but as I said before, angels have no physical bodies, but they can communicate with each other
the same with saints in heaven
 
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Another question/concern/thought/observation/whatever: Mary and the Saints can hear our prayers - our petitions - all at once, right? They take them to God, right? So let's use a popular Saint, Mary herself, for example: She's easily the most petitioned Saint. She, as a Saint, hears our prayers. She takes them to God. If she's hearing all our prayers, and taking them to God, as a highly petitioned Saint, wouldn't she be in a perpetual state of intercession on our behalf? She's petitioned by thousands, maybe millions, of people all throughout the day, all throughout the whole world at once. How does that work? What's the teaching on this? How is it explained? Logically she wouldn't have time to do anything else but hear our prayers and take them to God. What kind of heavenly existence is that? Being a slave to our intercessions?

I'm just trying to understand. The perpetual Virgin, the perpetual intercessor?
 
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Yeah I guess I would. Again, trying to understand.

No idea what, if any, the Catholic teaching on that is, but I have always figured that the place where HaShem's court is would not exist in our time and space. It would be outside of it and not effected by our rules. He created the Universe and is separate from it, in my thinking.
 
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No idea what, if any, the Catholic teaching on that is, but I have always figured that the place where HaShem's court is would not exist in our time and space. It would be outside of it and not effected by our rules. He created the Universe and is separate from it, in my thinking.

pretty much this
more or less

a lot of it we just have to say "it is a mystery" and leave it up to trust in God and trust in the Early Church because this is what they believed and what we continue
 
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As God The Most High has stated to Ezra/Esdra:

Then the angel that had been sent to me, whose name was Uriel, answered
[2] and said to me, "Your understanding has utterly failed regarding this world, and do you think you can comprehend the way of the Most High?"
[3] Then I said, "Yes, my lord." And he replied to me, "I have been sent to show you three ways, and to put before you three problems.
[4] If you can solve one of them for me, I also will show you the way you desire to see, and will teach you why the heart is evil."
[5] I said, "Speak on, my lord." And he said to me, "Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a measure of wind, or call back for me the day that is past."

[6] I answered and said, "Who of those that have been born can do this, that you ask me concerning these things?"

[7] And he said to me, "If I had asked you, `How many dwellings are in the heart of the sea, or how many streams are at the source of the deep, or how many streams are above the firmament, or which are the exits of hell, or which are the entrances of paradise?'

[8] Perhaps you would have said to me, `I never went down into the deep, nor as yet into hell, neither did I ever ascend into heaven.'
[9] But now I have asked you only about fire and wind and the day, things through which you have passed and without which you cannot exist, and you have given me no answer about them!"
[10] And he said to me, "You cannot understand the things with which you have grown up;
[11] how then can your mind comprehend the way of the Most High? And how can one who is already worn out by the corrupt world understand incorruption?" When I heard this, I fell on my face
[12] and said to him, "It would be better for us not to be here than to come here and live in ungodliness, and to suffer and not understand why."
[13] He answered me and said, "I went into a forest of trees of the plain, and they made a plan

[14] and said, `Come, let us go and make war against the sea, that it may recede before us, and that we may make for ourselves more forests.'
[15] And in like manner the waves of the sea also made a plan and said, `Come, let us go up and subdue the forest of the plain so that there also we may gain more territory for ourselves.'
[16] But the plan of the forest was in vain, for the fire came and consumed it;
[17] likewise also the plan of the waves of the sea, for the sand stood firm and stopped them.
[18] If now you were a judge between them, which would you undertake to justify, and which to condemn?"
[19] I answered and said, "Each has made a foolish plan, for the land is assigned to the forest, and to the sea is assigned a place to carry its waves."

[20] He answered me and said, "You have judged rightly, but why have you not judged so in your own case?

[21] For as the land is assigned to the forest and the sea to its waves, so also those who dwell upon earth can understand only what is on the earth, and he who is above the heavens can understand what is above the height of the heavens."
[22] Then I answered and said, "I beseech you, my lord, why have I been endowed with the power of understanding?

[23] For I did not wish to inquire about the ways above, but about those things which we daily experience: why Israel has been given over to the Gentiles as a reproach; why the people whom you loved has been given over to godless tribes, and the law of our fathers has been made of no effect and the written covenants no longer exist;
[24] and why we pass from the world like locusts, and our life is like a mist, and we are not worthy to obtain mercy.
[25] But what will he do for his name, by which we are called? It is about these things that I have asked."
[26] He answered me and said, "If you are alive, you will see, and if you live long, you will often marvel, because the age is hastening swiftly to its end.

[27] For it will not be able to bring the things that have been promised to the righteous in their appointed times, because this age is full of sadness and infirmities.
[28] For the evil about which you ask me has been sown, but the harvest of it has not yet come.
[29] If therefore that which has been sown is not reaped, and if the place where the evil has been sown does not pass away, the field where the good has been sown will not come.
[30] For a grain of evil seed was sown in Adam's heart from the beginning, and how much ungodliness it has produced until now, and will produce until the time of threshing comes!
[31] Consider now for yourself how much fruit of ungodliness a grain of evil seed has produced.
[32] When heads of grain without number are sown, how great a threshing floor they will fill!"
[33] Then I answered and said, "How long and when will these things be? Why are our years few and evil?"

[34] He answered me and said, "You do not hasten faster than the Most High, for your haste is for yourself, but the Highest hastens on behalf of many.
[35] Did not the souls of the righteous in their chambers ask about these matters, saying, `How long are we to remain here? And when will come the harvest of our reward?
[36] And Jeremiel the archangel answered them and said, `When the number of those like yourselves is completed; for he has weighed the age in the balance,
[37] and measured the times by measure, and numbered the times by number; and he will not move or arouse them until that measure is fulfilled.'"
[38] Then I answered and said, "O sovereign Lord, but all of us also are full of ungodliness.

[39] And it is perhaps on account of us that the time of threshing is delayed for the righteous -- on account of the sins of those who dwell on earth."
[40] He answered me and said, "Go and ask a woman who is with child if, when her nine months have been completed, her womb can keep the child within her any longer."

[41] And I said, "No, lord, it cannot."

And he said to me, "In Hades the chambers of the souls are like the womb.

[42] For just as a woman who is in travail makes haste to escape the pangs of birth, so also do these places hasten to give back those things that were committed to them from the beginning.
[43] Then the things that you desire to see will be disclosed to you."
[44] I answered and said, "If I have found favor in your sight, and if it is possible, and if I am worthy,

[45] show me this also: whether more time is to come than has passed, or whether for us the greater part has gone by.
[46] For I know what has gone by, but I do not know what is to come."
[47] And he said to me, "Stand at my right side, and I will show you the interpretation of a parable."

[48] So I stood and looked, and behold, a flaming furnace passed by before me, and when the flame had gone by I looked, and behold, the smoke remained.

[49] And after this a cloud full of water passed before me and poured down a heavy and violent rain, and when the rainstorm had passed, drops remained in the cloud.
[50] And he said to me, "Consider it for yourself; for as the rain is more than the drops, and the fire is greater than the smoke, so the quantity that passed was far greater; but drops and smoke remained."

[51] Then I prayed and said, "Do you think that I shall live until those days? Or who will be alive in those days?"

[52] He answered me and said, "Concerning the signs about which you ask me, I can tell you in part; but I was not sent to tell you concerning your life, for I do not know.

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[1] "Now concerning the signs: behold, the days are coming when those who dwell on earth shall be seized with great terror, and the way of truth shall be hidden, and the land shall be barren of faith.
[2] And unrighteousness shall be increased beyond what you yourself see, and beyond what you heard of formerly.
[3] And the land which you now see ruling shall be waste and untrodden, and men shall see it desolate.
[4] But if the Most High grants that you live, you shall see it thrown into confusion after the third period; and the sun shall suddenly shine forth at night,and the moon during the day.
[5] Blood shall drip from wood,and the stone shall utter its voice;the peoples shall be troubled, and the stars shall fall.
[6] And one shall reign whom those who dwell on earth do not expect, and the birds shall fly away together;
[7] and the sea of Sodom shall cast up fish; and one whom the many do not know shall make his voice heard by night, and all shall hear his voice.
[8] There shall be chaos also in many places, and fire shall often break out, and the wild beasts shall roam beyond their haunts, and menstruous women shall bring forth monsters.
[9] And salt waters shall be found in the sweet, and all friends shall conquer one another; then shall reason hide itself, and wisdom shall withdraw into its chamber,
[10] and it shall be sought by many but shall not be found, and unrighteousness and unrestraint shall increase on earth.
[11] And one country shall ask its neighbor, `Has righteousness, or any one who does right, passed through you?' And it will answer, `No.'
[12] And at that time men shall hope but not obtain; they shall labor but their ways shall not prosper.
[13] These are the signs which I am permitted to tell you, and if you pray again, and weep as you do now, and fast for seven days, you shall hear yet greater things than these."
[14] Then I awoke, and my body shuddered violently, and my soul was so troubled that it fainted.

[15] But the angel who had come and talked with me held me and strengthened me and set me on my feet.
[16] Now on the second night Phaltiel, a chief of the people, came to me and said, "Where have you been? And why is your face sad?

[17] Or do you not know that Israel has been entrusted to you in the land of their exile?
[18] Rise therefore and eat some bread, so that you may not forsake us, like a shepherd who leaves his flock in the power of cruel wolves."
[19] Then I said to him, "Depart from me and do not come near me for seven days, and then you may come to me." He heard what I said and left me.

[20] So I fasted seven days, mourning and weeping, as Uriel the angel had commanded me.
[21] And after seven days the thoughts of my heart were very grievous to me again.
 
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[21] And after seven days the thoughts of my heart were very grievous to me again.

[22] Then my soul recovered the spirit of understanding, and I began once more to speak words in the presence of the Most High.
[23] And I said, "O sovereign Lord, from every forest of the earth and from all its trees thou hast chosen one vine,
[24] and from all the lands of the world thou hast chosen for thyself one region, and from all the flowers of the world thou hast chosen for thyself one lily,
[25] and from all the depths of the sea thou hast filled for thyself one river, and from all the cities that have been built thou hast consecrated Zion for thyself,
[26] and from all the birds that have been created thou hast named for thyself one dove, and from all the flocks that have been made thou hast provided for thyself one sheep,
[27] and from all the multitude of peoples thou hast gotten for thyself one people; and to this people, whom thou hast loved, thou hast given the law which is approved by all.
[28] And now, O Lord, why hast thou given over the one to the many, and dishonored the one root beyond the others, and scattered thine only one among the many?
[29] And those who opposed thy promises have trodden down those who believed thy covenants.
[30] If thou dost really hate thy people, they should be punished at thy own hands."
[31] When I had spoken these words, the angel who had come to me on a previous night was sent to me,

[32] and he said to me, "Listen to me, and I will instruct you; pay attention to me, and I will tell you more."
[33] And I said, "Speak, my lord." And he said to me, "Are you greatly disturbed in mind over Israel? Or do you love him more than his Maker does?"

[34] And I said, "No, my lord, but because of my grief I have spoken; for every hour I suffer agonies of heart, while I strive to understand the way of the Most High and to search out part of his judgment."

[35] And he said to me, "You cannot." And I said, "Why not, my lord? Why then was I born? Or why did not my mother's womb become my grave, that I might not see the travail of Jacob and the exhaustion of the people of Israel?"

[36] He said to me, "Count up for me those who have not yet come, and gather for me the scattered raindrops, and make the withered flowers bloom again for me;

[37] open for me the closed chambers, and bring forth for me the winds shut up in them, or show me the picture of a voice; and then I will explain to you the travail that you ask to understand."
[38] And I said, "O sovereign Lord, who is able to know these things except he whose dwelling is not with men?

[39] As for me, I am without wisdom, and how can I speak concerning the things which thou hast asked me?"
[40] He said to me, "Just as you cannot do one of the things that were mentioned, so you cannot discover my judgment, or the goal of the love that I have promised my people."

[41] And I said, "Yet behold, O Lord, thou dost have charge of those who are alive at the end, but what will those do who were before us, or we, or those who come after us?"

[42] He said to me, "I shall liken my judgment to a circle; just as for those who are last there is no slowness, so for those who are first there is no haste."

[43] Then I answered and said, "Couldst thou not have created at one time those who have been and those who are and those who will be, that thou mightest show thy judgment the sooner?"

[44] He replied to me and said, "The creation cannot make more haste than the Creator, neither can the world hold at one time those who have been created in it."

[45] And I said, "How hast thou said to thy servant that thou wilt certainly give life at one time to thy creation? If therefore all creatures will live at one time and the creation will sustain them, it might even now be able to support all of them present at one time."

[46] He said to me, "Ask a woman's womb, and say to it, `If you bear ten children, why one after another?' Request it therefore to produce ten at one time."

[47] I said, "Of course it cannot, but only each in its own time."

[48] He said to me, "Even so have I given the womb of the earth to those who from time to time are sown in it.

[49] For as an infant does not bring forth, and a woman who has become old does not bring forth any longer, so have I organized the world which I created."
[50] Then I inquired and said, "Since thou hast now given me the opportunity, let me speak before thee. Is our mother, of whom thou hast told me, still young? Or is she now approaching old age?"

[51] He replied to me, "Ask a woman who bears children, and she will tell you.

[52] Say to her, "Why are those whom you have borne recently not like those whom you bore before, but smaller in stature?'
[53] And she herself will answer you, `Those born in the strength of youth are different from those born during the time of old age, when the womb is failing.'
[54] Therefore you also should consider that you and your contemporaries are smaller in stature than those who were before you,
[55] and those who come after you will be smaller than you, as born of a creation which already is aging and passing the strength of youth."
[56] And I said, "O Lord, I beseech thee, if I have found favor in thy sight, show thy servant through whom thou dost visit thy creation."

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[1] And he said to me, "At the beginning of the circle of the earth, before the portals of the world were in place, and before the assembled winds blew,
[2] and before the rumblings of thunder sounded, and before the flashes of lightning shone, and before the foundations of paradise were laid,
[3] and before the beautiful flowers were seen, and before the powers of movement were established, and before the innumerable hosts of angels were gathered together,
[4] and before the heights of the air were lifted up, and before the measures of the firmaments were named, and before the footstool of Zion was established,
[5] and before the present years were reckoned; and before the imaginations of those who now sin were estranged, and before those who stored up treasures of faith were sealed --
[6] then I planned these things, and they were made through me and not through another, just as the end shall come through me and not through another."
[7] And I answered and said, "What will be the dividing of the times? Or when will be the end of the first age and the beginning of the age that follows?"

[8] He said to me, "From Abraham to Isaac, because from him were born Jacob and Esau, for Jacob's hand held Esau's heel from the beginning.

[9] For Esau is the end of this age, and Jacob is the beginning of the age that follows.
[10] For the beginning of a man is his hand, and the end of a man is his heel; between the heel and the hand seek for nothing else, Ezra!"
[11] I answered and said, "O sovereign Lord, if I have found favor in thy sight,

[12] show thy servant the end of thy signs which thou didst show me in part on a previous night."
[13] He answered and said to me, "Rise to your feet and you will hear a full, resounding voice.

[14] And if the place where you are standing is greatly shaken
[15] while the voice is speaking, do not be terrified; because the word concerns the end, and the foundations of the earth will understand
[16] that the speech concerns them. They will tremble and be shaken, for they know that their end must be changed."
[17] When I heard this, I rose to my feet and listened, and behold, a voice was speaking, and its sound was like the sound of many waters.

[18] And it said, "Behold, the days are coming, and it shall be that when I draw near to visit the inhabitants of the earth,
[19] and when I require from the doers of iniquity the penalty of their iniquity, and when the humiliation of Zion is complete,
[20] and when the seal is placed upon the age which is about to pass away, then I will show these signs: the books shall be opened before the firmament, and all shall see it together.
[21] Infants a year old shall speak with their voices, and women with child shall give birth to premature children at three and four months, and these shall live and dance.
[22] Sown places shall suddenly appear unsown, and full storehouses shall suddenly be found to be empty;
[23] and the trumpet shall sound aloud, and when all hear it, they shall suddenly be terrified.
[24] At that time friends shall make war on friends like enemies, and the earth and those who inhabit it shall be terrified, and the springs of the fountains shall stand still, so that for three hours they shall not flow.
[25] "And it shall be that whoever remains after all that I have foretold to you shall himself be saved and shall see my salvation and the end of my world.

[26] And they shall see the men who were taken up, who from their birth have not tasted death; and the heart of the earth's inhabitants shall be changed and converted to a different spirit.
[27] For evil shall be blotted out, and deceit shall be quenched;
[28] faithfulness shall flourish, and corruption shall be overcome, and the truth, which has been so long without fruit, shall be revealed."
[29] While he spoke to me, behold, little by little the place where I was standing began to rock to and fro.

[30] And he said to me, "I have come to show you these things this night.
[31] If therefore you will pray again and fast again for seven days, I will again declare to you greater things than these,
[32] because your voice has surely been heard before the Most High; for the Mighty One has seen your uprightness and has also observed the purity which you have maintained from your youth.
[33] Therefore he sent me to show you all these things, and to say to you: `Believe and do not be afraid!
[34] Do not be quick to think vain thoughts concerning the former times, lest you be hasty concerning the last times.'"
[35] Now after this I wept again and fasted seven days as before, in order to complete the three weeks as I had been told.
 
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God The Most High explains to Ezra that no-one here is a better Judge than God nor wiser than The Most High.

We as human beings are incapable of ever deciphering God The Most High's Holy ways in Heaven, God The Most High's judgements, God The Most High's Holy Decrees, nor God The Most High's Holy manifestations through Jesus and our Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God.

If The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus' Disciples and our Blessed Virgin Mary after Jesus Christ had died and ascended into Heaven, Gifting them all with speaking in tongues at the same time, in addition to all of the Miracles that Jesus/God had performed for mankind while living here on earth, then I am sure Jesus and The Blessed Virgin Mary Mother of God are able to manifest their Holy Spirits within Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit's Holy Tabernacles and Blessed Sacraments within each Catholic Church and stand behind His priests in Confession, with all the other hundreds of Holy Tasks that Jesus/God/The Holy Spirit accomplish each Heavenly moment non-decipherable/incomprehensible for the most part.

If God The Most High created His Heaven, Universe and Earth and all of creation and His Children and Creatures; then God The Most High in His Holy Will is able to do anything He has chosen, including manifestation of which is mentioned in His Holy Word on numerous occasions.

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Who then is Jesus Christ but God's manifestation as His son on earth. All power is given to Jesus Christ on earth to act on behalf of God in heaven.

God is invisible, but Jesus is fully man, fully God in nature and Jesus was given full authority to act on His behalf.

The following verses in the Old Testament pertaining to God correspond perfectly and completely with those of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.

1. God is the Creator (Gen 1:1; Neh 9:6; Job 12:9).
•Jesus is the Creator (Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16; Heb 1:10).

2. God is the Savior (Isa 43:11; Hos 13:4).
•Jesus is the Savior (Lk 2:11; Acts 4:12; Jude 24).

3. God is King (Ps 10:16; 96:10).
•Jesus is King (Rev 11:15).

4. God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords (Deu 10:17; Dan 2:47).
•Jesus is the Lord of lords (Rev 17:14; 19:16).

5. God is the Lord of life (Deu 32:39; Jer 38:16).
•Jesus is the Lord of life (Jn 1:4; 11:25; 14:6).

6. God is the first and the last (Isa 44:6; 48:12).
•Jesus is the first and the last (Rev 1:17; 22:13).


The Old Testament includes about sixty different prophecies with more than 300 references of the coming of the Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel would be able to recognize the true Messiah. The four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament.

The gospels of Matthew and Luke say that Mary was a virgin and that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, another manifestation of the power of God.

God The Most High to Ezra:

Then I answered and said, "O sovereign Lord, behold, thou hast ordained in thy law that the righteous shall inherit these things, but that the ungodly shall perish.

[18] The righteous therefore can endure difficult circumstances while hoping for easier ones; but those who have done wickedly have suffered the difficult circumstances and will not see the easier ones."
[19] And he said to me, "You are not a better judge than God, or wiser than the Most High!

[20] Let many perish who are now living, rather than that the law of God which is set before them be disregarded!
[21] For God strictly commanded those who came into the world, when they came, what they should do to live, and what they should observe to avoid punishment.
[22] Nevertheless they were not obedient, and spoke against him; they devised for themselves vain thoughts,
[23] and proposed to themselves wicked frauds; they even declared that the Most High does not exist, and they ignored his ways!
[24] They scorned his law, and denied his covenants; they have been unfaithful to his statutes, and have not performed his works.
[25] "Therefore, Ezra, empty things are for the empty, and full things are for the full.

[26] For behold, the time will come, when the signs which I have foretold to you will come to pass, that the city which now is not seen shall appear, and the land which now is hidden shall be disclosed.
[27] And every one who has been delivered from the evils that I have foretold shall see my wonders.
[28] For my son the Messiah shall be revealed with those who are with him, and those who remain shall rejoice four hundred years.
[29] And after these years my son the Messiah shall die, and all who draw human breath.
[30] And the world shall be turned back to primeval silence for seven days, as it was at the first beginnings; so that no one shall be left.
[31] And after seven days the world, which is not yet awake, shall be roused, and that which is corruptible shall perish.
[32] And the earth shall give up those who are asleep in it, and the dust those who dwell silently in it; and the chambers shall give up the souls which have been committed to them.
[33] And the Most High shall be revealed upon the seat of judgment, and compassion shall pass away, and patience shall be withdrawn;
[34] but only judgment shall remain, truth shall stand, and faithfulness shall grow strong.
[35] And recompense shall follow, and the reward shall be manifested; righteous deeds shall awake, and unrighteous deeds shall not sleep.
[36] Then the pit of torment shall appear, and opposite it shall be the place of rest; and the furnace of hell shall be disclosed, and opposite it the paradise of delight.
[37] Then the Most High will say to the nations that have been raised from the dead, `Look now, and understand whom you have denied, whom you have not served, whose commandments you have despised!
[38] Look on this side and on that; here are delight and rest, and there are fire and torments!' Thus he will speak to them on the day of judgment --
[39] a day that has no sun or moon or stars,
[40] or cloud or thunder or lightning or wind or water or air, or darkness or evening or morning,
[41] or summer or spring or heat or winter or frost or cold or hail or rain or dew,
[42] or noon or night, or dawn or shining or brightness or light, but only the splendor of the glory of the Most High, by which all shall see what has been determined for them.
[43] For it will last for about a week of years.
[44] This is my judgment and its prescribed order; and to you alone have I shown these things."
[45] I answered and said, "O sovereign Lord, I said then and I say now: Blessed are those who are alive and keep thy commandments!

[46] But what of those for whom I prayed? For who among the living is there that has not sinned, or who among men that has not transgressed thy covenant?
[47] And now I see that the world to come will bring delight to few, but torments to many.
[48] For an evil heart has grown up in us, which has alienated us from God, and has brought us into corruption and the ways of death, and has shown us the paths of perdition and removed us far from life -- and that not just a few of us but almost all who have been created!"
[49] He answered me and said, "Listen to me, Ezra, and I will instruct you, and will admonish you yet again.

[50] For this reason the Most High has made not one world but two.
[51] For whereas you have said that the righteous are not many but few, while the ungodly abound, hear the explanation for this.
[52] "If you have just a few precious stones, will you add to them lead and clay?"

[53] I said, "Lord, how could that be?"

[54] And he said to me, "Not only that, but ask the earth and she will tell you; defer to her, and she will declare it to you.

[55] Say to her, `You produce gold and silver and brass, and also iron and lead and clay;
[56] but silver is more abundant than gold, and brass than silver, and iron than brass, and lead than iron, and clay than lead.'
[57] Judge therefore which things are precious and desirable, those that are abundant or those that are rare?"
[58] I said, "O sovereign Lord, what is plentiful is of less worth, for what is more rare is more precious."

[59] He answered me and said, "Weigh within yourself what you have thought, for he who has what is hard to get rejoices more than he who has what is plentiful.

[60] So also will be the judgment which I have promised; for I will rejoice over the few who shall be saved, because it is they who have made my glory to prevail now, and through them my name has now been honored.
[61] And I will not grieve over the multitude of those who perish; for it is they who are now like a mist, and are similar to a flame and smoke -- they are set on fire and burn hotly, and are extinguished."
[62] I replied and said, "O earth, what have you brought forth, if the mind is made out of the dust like the other created things!
 
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