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Show Me in the Bible Where it Talks about a Sexual Orientation!

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"may her breasts satisfy you always"

Sorry didn't see the forum before.
Again, you take that line out of context.

That is talking about a guy not lusting upon another woman who is married.
 
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Dave you know won't find it.. There was the norm and the guidelines for it. You see guidelines for an elder to the husband of one wife...They didn't mention qualifications for having one partner in a loving monogamous relationship because it wasn't the norm in the church..Do you honestly think they would have allowed a same sex loving monogamous elders to serve in the church?
 
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Dave you know won't find it.. There was the norm and the guidelines for it. You see guidelines for an elder to the husband of one wife...They didn't mention qualifications for having one partner in a loving monogamous relationship because it wasn't the norm in the church..Do you honestly think they would have allowed a same sex loving monogamous elders to serve in the church?
Probably not, but that doesn't necessarily affect the way God sees homosexual relationships.

Does God see the two souls or the gender? hmm...
 
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Probably not, but that doesn't necessarily affect the way God sees homosexual relationships.
Does God see the two souls or the gender? hmm...

He sees two souls and gives us guidelines on how to conduct our lives..Just because recent psychological
discovery say something is in born and they cannot help it does not make it so.
 
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He sees two souls and gives us guidelines on how to conduct our lives..Just because recent psychological
discovery say something is in born and they cannot help it does not make it so.
Does not make what so?

So the Bible is correct about homosexuality (even though I don't believe it's condemning it), but not correct about slavery and mistreatment of women and marriage as an inheritance and not love?

It's OK for two people that don't love each other and are unequally yoked to get married, but not two males or two females that truly love each other and want to commit themselves before God for life?
 
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Where does the Bible mention a sexual orientation?

Please show me where it even hints that there are some people only attracted (emotionally and sexually) to members of their same sex!!!!






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i don't see anywhere in the Bible that it talks about orientation.

but with that in mind, does it have to be stated literally in the Bible to exist? i don't think so.

mere examples are the abolition of slavery is not literally stated in scriptures for support. in fact Paul told slaves to be obediant to slaves, and it's a far stretch to say that every slave was treated bad. too many people alive on this earth. sure Paul states that all are equal in Christ and neither Greek, Jew or Gentile, male, female, slave or whatever under Christ, but is that enough proof to go against what he also said that slaves are to remain obediant to their master? on a literal level, no.

women are to be silent, and obviously the modern church is not about that.

so to tie this into the discussion, why is that we as Christians can evolve to such an extent to not take the scriptures literally in the sense of freedom to slaves, and freedom for females in the church but yet say to homosexuals, your lifestyle is sin, your orientation is not true and your a sinner damned to hell, when one supports other areas that breaks the scriptures in a literal sense?

so i hope i'm not off topic here bro, i find the question why are homosexuals picked out but everyone else is alright?

i hope i'm not off-topic here bro. :)
 
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i don't see anywhere in the Bible that it talks about orientation.

but with that in mind, does it have to be stated literally in the Bible to exist? i don't think so.

mere examples are the abolition of slavery is not literally stated in scriptures for support. in fact Paul told slaves to be obediant to slaves, and it's a far stretch to say that every slave was treated bad. too many people alive on this earth. sure Paul states that all are equal in Christ and neither Greek, Jew or Gentile, male, female, slave or whatever under Christ, but is that enough proof to go against what he also said that slaves are to remain obediant to their master? on a literal level, no.

women are to be silent, and obviously the modern church is not about that.

so to tie this into the discussion, why is that we as Christians can evolve to such an extent to not take the scriptures literally in the sense of freedom to slaves, and freedom for females in the church but yet say to homosexuals, your lifestyle is sin, your orientation is not true and your a sinner damned to hell, when one supports other areas that breaks the scriptures in a literal sense?

so i hope i'm not off topic here bro, i find the question why are homosexuals picked out but everyone else is alright?

i hope i'm not off-topic here bro. :)
Because it is easier to justify something you don't identify with. Most straight people see gay behavior as deviant, of the devil and unnatural, then we have all those clobber verses, and then the ex gay programs.

The Ex Gay programs should be symbolic of who REALLY needs to change...the Church, NOT us which is impossible!
 
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Because it is easier to justify something you don't identify with. Most straight people see gay behavior as deviant, of the devil and unnatural, then we have all those clobber verses, and then the ex gay programs.

The Ex Gay programs should be symbolic of who REALLY needs to change...the Church, NOT us which is impossible!
I don't mean to be disrespectful ,but your lost in your own desires and truthfully there is a lot to be said to the unmoral behavior :however, you are consumed with your emotional feelings and you won't discern truth for the right of it because your not willing to change.. You can't change GODS will because you FEEL like it or because you think it FEELS right by your a account or accord. or just feels good. Truth is not your emotion or your will of what you think is right. Now i have compassion for you and may be sympathetic to your emotions,but that doesn't make your emotions correct.The truth can really be hurtful and can effect one person more than another,but GODS truth and will is still truth.
 
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I don't mean to be disrespectful ,but your lost in your own desires and truthfully there is a lot to be said to the unmoral behavior :however, you are consumed with your emotional feelings and you won't discern truth for the right of it because your not willing to change.. You can't change GODS will because you FEEL like it or because you think it FEELS right by your a account or accord. or just feels good. Truth is not your emotion or your will of what you think is right. Now i have compassion for you and may be sympathetic to your emotions,but that doesn't make your emotions correct.The truth can really be hurtful and can effect one person more than another,but GODS truth and will is still truth.
K, did I ever say I wanted to change God's mind? that was not what I said, I go to a Church were I am accepted for who I am, I'm done contemplating the truth, I already know it. The only reason I"m here is to debate against the poison you people post in these forums, so that more gay people don't get confused, lost, hopeless and most of all...suicidal. You don't have any shred of hope to offer them except for more lies that they are going to be cured all in the name of some fantasy lie.
 
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I don't mean to be disrespectful ,but your lost in your own desires and truthfully there is a lot to be said to the unmoral behavior :however, you are consumed with your emotional feelings and you won't discern truth for the right of it because your not willing to change.. You can't change GODS will because you FEEL like it or because you think it FEELS right by your a account or accord. or just feels good. Truth is not your emotion or your will of what you think is right. Now i have compassion for you and may be sympathetic to your emotions,but that doesn't make your emotions correct.The truth can really be hurtful and can effect one person more than another,but GODS truth and will is still truth.


Well said allhart. It matters if what we believe is right.

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K, did I ever say I wanted to change God's mind? that was not what I said, I go to a Church were I am accepted for who I am, I'm done contemplating the truth, I already know it. The only reason I"m here is to debate against the poison you people post in these forums, so that more gay people don't get confused, lost, hopeless and most of all...suicidal. You don't have any shred of hope to offer them except for more lies that they are going to be cured all in the name of some fantasy lie.
Just like a drug addicts, get cured right! No cures just sacrifice's.We can love you ,but we can't except the issue and neglecting the whole truth doesn't cut it and you make it harder on them. By telling them to except it. and to except that GOD won't do anything to them" for you are who you are". Saying its o.k.! (Its not o.k.!)Your support is miss directed and plain miss guided. Its like talking to a drug addict......Playing on emotional roller coaster. For no will for change in the end . Wanting to be excepted as person is different than trying to make the word of god or his people to except the sexual behavior isn't the way to Gods redemtion The first step is acknowledge that you have a problem.Then you can support them with a guide to salvation from ones addiction or compulsive behavior.God is all of our hope including theirs, yours and mine It has more to do with him than us and our wants or desires
 
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Just like a drug addicts, get cured right! No cures just sacrifice's.We can love you ,but we can't except the issue and neglecting the whole truth doesn't cut it and you make it harder on them. By telling them to except it. and to except that GOD won't do anything to them" for you are who you are". Saying its o.k.! (Its not o.k.!)Your support is miss directed and plain miss guided. Its like talking to a drug addict......Playing on emotional roller coaster. For no will for change in the end . Wanting to be excepted as person is different than trying to make the word of god or his people to except the sexual behavior isn't the way to Gods redemtion The first step is acknowledge that you have a problem.Then you can support them with a guide to salvation from ones addiction or compulsive behavior.God is all of our hope including theirs, yours and mine It has more to do with him than us and our wants or desires
There is no cure, PERIOD! God made us this way. Similar to how black people were slaves, this is the current day Bigotry. There are 28 Protestant denominations that affirm us...either jump aboard, or you are a part of the problem. You cannot fix the way God made you, and it has nothing to do with sin, whatosever.

God is a God of diversity...and the Kingdom is WILDLY inclusive!

The fact that you compare this to a person who uses drugs (abuses their bodies), speaks volumes about your personal knowledge on this subject.
 
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There is no cure, PERIOD! God made us this way. Similar to how black people were slaves, this is the current day Bigotry. There are 28 Protestant denominations that affirm us...either jump aboard, or you are a part of the problem. You cannot fix the way God made you, and it has nothing to do with sin, whatosever.

There's a difference. Slavery and racial issues are very well defined as bad. Homosexuality is deffined as bad.
 
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There's a difference. Slavery and racial issues are very well defined as bad. Homosexuality is deffined as bad.
slavery and mistreatement of women is accepted in Scripture, and homosexuality is not defined as bad, only by your very narrow interpretations and translations given to you.
 
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