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I don't know why scientists want to study intelligence so much. I find it's one of the the least important aspects of a human. I'd rather be a friend or associate of a Forest Gump, than of a highly intelligent person who's snobby, talks about me behind my back, won't stand by me when the chips are down, etc. Why aren't they trying to find the gene for friendliness, or the gene that causes greediness? Better yet, isolate and find that gene that makes my neighbor blow her leaves in my yard. I'll fund that research.
Intelligence just isn't that important, and I can prove it. Just think of your favorite Victoria's Secret model. Would you think any less of her if she were a moron?
I've read and listened to a lot about the race/IQ question in the past. I've been reading this thread and the articles, and I wanted to say something serious in this thread, but I keep flip-flopping. I finally decided to just vote "I'm not sure".
Sure. Nobody likes a smart ***hole.....I'd rather be a friend or associate of a Forest Gump, than of a highly intelligent person who's snobby, talks about me behind my back, won't stand by me when the chips are down, etc.....
Here's a comment from the article that went with your graph. They didn't base the graph on the raw data, they used "summary data".
All other things being equal, sure.Sure. Nobody likes a smart ***hole.
But all other things being equal, I'd rather hang out with smart people.
"Downs syndrome". A friend of mine had a baby with it recently. Very sweet kid.All other things being equal, sure.
But I'll share a little story, true story. I was in a neighborhood swimming pool one day. Some little girl swam towards me. She's got that look, you know the facial features of the whatever they're calling it these days, developmentally challenged or whatever. She swims up to me, wraps her arms around me and hugs me, kisses me twice on my chest, says "I love you" and swims away. She's swimming back towards some lady who's giving me an embarrassed, sort of apologetic smile. I told her she has a very beautiful child.
I started thinking how wonderful life could be if everyone were like her, if everyone could be loving and trusting of strangers. I started thinking kind of in science fiction mode, what if that were the baseline, normal for all people? I guess we'd have little science and technology, we'd get our water from the river every day, but I'd be okay with that. I'm sure not all developmentally challenged persons have the same sweet personality as that little girl, but if there were a planet where everyone was like her I'd wanna move there.
All other things being equal, sure.
But I'll share a little story, true story. I was in a neighborhood swimming pool one day. Some little girl swam towards me. She's got that look, you know the facial features of the whatever they're calling it these days, developmentally challenged or whatever. She swims up to me, wraps her arms around me and hugs me, kisses me twice on my chest, says "I love you" and swims away. She's swimming back towards some lady who's giving me an embarrassed, sort of apologetic smile. I told her she has a very beautiful child.
I started thinking how wonderful life could be if everyone were like her, if everyone could be loving and trusting of strangers. I started thinking kind of in science fiction mode, what if that were the baseline, normal for all people? I guess we'd have little science and technology, we'd get our water from the river every day, but I'd be okay with that. I'm sure not all developmentally challenged persons have the same sweet personality as that little girl, but if there were a planet where everyone was like her I'd wanna move there.
I'd like to correct you, but you are already correct!!! The graph was more of an illustration - I think it's a useful explanatory tool, but I'll take more care in future. Cheers.Yes, you can see it on the graph. The Standard deviation for males was 15. And for females it was 14. Nothing at all like your picture, which was not based on any data at all. Unless I'm mistaken, and you'd like to correct me.
This is best answered by a competent geneticist, so neither I nor Nathan Cofnas are qualified.
I don't know whether Cofnas' gripe about 'The majority of philosophers and social scientists' is true or not, but those people are also not the best people to comment on the issue, nor to carry out experiments on the matter.
Meanwhile, geneticists have been carrying out studies on the genetic basis of intelligence, and what they've found (as I understand it) is that hundreds of genes play a role in intelligence, and each of them is only responsible for a tiny fraction of the human variation in intelligence. And I doubt it is an 'additive' process. If gene A is associated with +0.03 IQ points, and gene W is associated with -0.01 IQ points, then the effect of having both genes is not necessarily +0.02 IQ points. (I doubt this is actually how such things are measured at all, but hopefully my point is clear.) The sheer number of genes that play a role, and the great genetic variation within racial groups makes me doubt that there will be any clear 'racial genes' that play a significant role in intelligence.
The racial differences on performance on IQ tests (inasmuch as that is a measure of 'intelligence') is quite large. The effects of each individual gene on intelligence is quite small. It seems to me that if the racial difference in IQ performance were due to genetic differences, it would shout from the data. It doesn't.
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From Wikipedia on genetics of race and intelligence.
Intelligence is a polygenic trait. This means that intelligence is under the influence of several genes, possibly several thousand. The effect of most individual genetic variants on intelligence is thought to be very small, well below 1% of the variance in g. Current studies using quantitative trait loci have yielded little success in the search for genes influencing intelligence. Robert Plomin is confident that QTLs responsible for the variation in IQ scores exist, but due to their small effect sizes, more powerful tools of analysis will be required to detect them.[138] Others assert that no useful answers can be reasonably expected from such research before an understanding of the relation between DNA and human phenotypes emerges.[82] Several candidate genes have been proposed to have a relationship with intelligence.[139][140] However, a review of candidate genes for intelligence published in Deary, Johnson & Houlihan (2009) failed to find evidence of an association between these genes and general intelligence, stating "there is still almost no replicated evidence concerning the individual genes, which have variants that contribute to intelligence differences"
Sam Harris: "I do remain skeptical about the wisdom of looking for cross-cultural or interracial differences in things like intelligence. I’m not sure what it gets you apart from a lot of pain. So many of the topics I discussed in the podcast with Murray are not topics I would ordinarily think about, or recommend that you think about." From the introduction of his interview of Charles Murray who co-authored Bell Curve
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09515089.2019.1697803?src=recsys
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