Should the U.S. disarm itself and no longer maintain a military?

k · Mar 6, 2006

Marek said:
Holidays have more to do with cultural traditions than Bible quotes. So I see no problem with this, but I am a strong believer that government policies, such as international relations, should not be based on religion.

My goodness...can the goal posts be shifted any further?

arnegrim · Mar 6, 2006

Neverstop said:
Did Christians exist yet?

Yes.

k · Mar 6, 2006

arnegrim said:
Yes.

How could Christians exist pre-Easter? The fact is they didn't....

Besides, saying that one would have to show where a Roman soldier was told to leave the military in order to show Jesus was anti-war is possibly one of the most ridiculous approaches to any argument, ever.

Marek · Mar 6, 2006

Neverstop said:
My goodness...can the goal posts be shifted any further?

Okay - apparently I am having trouble understanding the point you are trying to make. Let's make this simple. Are you trying to say (choose one)

1. The government should not start wars because there are quotes in the Bible that speak against it.

2. Christians that support the government starting wars are hypocrites.

3. other - please explain?

The_Horses_Boy · Mar 6, 2006

burrow_owl said:
We should keep the military and stop using it stupidly and carelessly.

You can not trust in others to rule you. We can not trust in the 'International' will. There is one thing that you can always trust in (besides God): yourself.

arnegrim · Mar 6, 2006

Neverstop said:
How could Christians exist pre-Easter? The fact is they didn't....

Let's use your qualifications... when was 'Easter'?

Neverstop said:
Besides, saying that one would have to show where a Roman soldier was told to leave the military in order to show Jesus was anti-war is possibly one of the most ridiculous approaches to any argument, ever.

Your argument is ridiculous... sorry.

Fallschirmjägergewehr · Mar 6, 2006

Only if I can have one of the leftover Hummers and an Abrams tank to park in the yard.

CHARLES H · Mar 6, 2006

Fallschirmjägergewehr said:
Only if I can have one of the leftover Hummers and an Abrams tank to park in the yard.

sorta like a anti-theft device

Fallschirmjägergewehr · Mar 6, 2006

CHARLES H said:
sorta like a anti-theft device

No, this is an anti-theft (or thief as the case may be) device.

The Abrams is bait.

Yusuf Evans · Mar 6, 2006

Fallschirmjägergewehr said:
Only if I can have one of the leftover Hummers and an Abrams tank to park in the yard.

I'll take a Hummer and mount a .50 Cal on top.

Cajun Huguenot · Mar 7, 2006

Other.

THe USA needs to remain a major military power, so it can defend its on people and protect its interests.

The USA should also give up the role world policeman, this is not our job.

Those are my thoughts.

In Christ,
Kenith

Ampoliros · Mar 7, 2006

burrow_owl said:
We should keep the military and stop using it stupidly and carelessly.

^^What he said.

momalle1 · Mar 7, 2006

I don't know that the US needs to remain the sole superpower, but we certainly have a right to defend ourselves. Unless there is some great sin commited against others, as in Germany and Japan during the 1900's, no nation should be disarmed and should have a right to defend itself.

Harlan Norris · Mar 7, 2006

I voted other. The affairs of the world are the will of God. So, that means that the US as a single entity,is subject to the will of God.The US will play it's part in God's plan. Nothing we can do about that. However that does not mean that as Christians,we can engage in any atrocities commited by our govt. We are to be separate.We are to love our neighbor as ourselves. Even at the cost of our own life.

k · Mar 7, 2006

Marek said:
Okay - apparently I am having trouble understanding the point you are trying to make. Let's make this simple. Are you trying to say (choose one)

1. The government should not start wars because there are quotes in the Bible that speak against it.

2. Christians that support the government starting wars are hypocrites.

3. other - please explain?

I'm not accusing Christians of being hypocrites but pointing out the obvious conflict.

k · Mar 7, 2006

arnegrim said:
Let's use your qualifications... when was 'Easter'?

The Sunday Jesus rose.

Your argument is ridiculous... sorry.

I explained why it is ridiculous to say that Jesus would have had to tell a Roman soldier.....in order to show Jesus was anti-war.

Why is my argument ridiculous? Do you even know what it is?

cavymom · Mar 7, 2006

KalEl76 said:
With the growing dissent worldwide against the U.S. and it's percieved empirical motivations, should we as a nation disarm our military and then submit to international rule?

You can't.

If the US did, it would be at the mercy of the world because of it's past conduct.

In this day and age it is a terrible thought that the world should unite under one government. Why? Because not every country believes the same thing: democracy, communism, imperialism. clergy-based, etc etc. You cannot expect to remove ALL government and expect UNITY. There would always be someone that would take advantage over this and twist it for thier own benefit, be it a group, a country, an ideal, religious, financial etc etc.

As a christian I believe that when Christ returns the government will be upon his shoulders (Isaiah 9:6) before this there will come a one-world government (Daniel 7 and Revelation) that will end up in Armeggedon/WW3. From what the bible says, trying to create this one world government is nothing but killing and wars. The only way the world works is for God to run it, we only manage to ruin things.

cavymom · Mar 7, 2006

Billnew said:
Disarm our military?
The world would fall apart.

We are blamed for every problem, but without our presence the world would be back to the border squirmises that they had in colonial times.

Our border would stay fairly safe, because of the second amendment, and if any challenged anything more then a
quick attack, would have our guard coming in.

Pulling our military back into our borders would cause as much problems, and would set up for WWIII.
Can you say isolationism.

Disbanding or even pulling our military back inside our borders would be abandoning our allies, and would aid their enemies.

We can not be a Swiss military. We are implanted in too many countries and ensure stability in the whole world.

Disbanding would drop the world into havoc.[/quote]

This sounds like alot of the propaganda I hear from CNN. The world does not depend on the US, the US just likes to say that to thier taxpayers to justify spending all thier money.

If the US collapsed tommorow it would affect the world financially then the world would shrug it off and keep going. It has happened to other superpowers all throughout history, it just happens to be the US at this point of time.

And as for ensuring stability in the world, have you seen what is happening because of the US? If the US government stayed out of countries there would be MORE stability. Look at Iraq, they are not democratic like Bush said it would be, and yes they had problems but it was with thier own neighbors... now we see plenty of US soldiers coming home in boxes. The countries that were being abused by Iraq would have fought it out themselves eventually.

If the US is fixing everything so sweetly, why do they not go to countries that don't have OIL or a STRATEGIC LOCATION to another country (that has oil)? One of the main reasons that the US NEEDS to hang on to it's military is because of all the countries that are very unhappy with it right now. The US is making enemies by implanting themselves everywhere, and now they are trapped in a vicious circle they created themselves.

The Swiss probably don't need to be over-militarized because they aren't at odds with other countries. I've never seen anything on the news about them fighting and invading others.

Fallschirmjägergewehr · Mar 7, 2006

KalEl76 said:
I'll take a Hummer and mount a .50 Cal on top.

I'd take a Hummer with one of them MK-19s mounted on top.

k · Mar 7, 2006

Fallschirmjägergewehr said:
I'd take a Hummer with one of them MK-19s mounted on top.

You should have tried to hit a little Nissan truck mounted w/ a fity cal......the little buggers were not easy!

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