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I believe that they should be teaching evolution from an early age. I went to Catholic schools and I never heard about evolution from school (I found out about it myself through South Park, of all things) until tenth grade Biology, whereas they were teaching us the creation story from our first year.
I believe in evolution. I think the creation story is just that - a story. We know that it's not fact. And I think it's an important thing for kids to know. But I also believe that creationism should be taught at a later age... I think that creation stories from many different religions should be taught, but we shouldn't be teaching it to our children as fact.
Sure, ok. Now, present the evidence.
Ive presented the scientific evidence many many times in this Forum and on other Forums. I can very well do it all again, but, this time around....im going to handle things a little differently because you were wayyyy too fast at saying 'Ok ' youd be willing to surrender your life to your Creator who is also the Creator of the Universe (which we both know you would never do...otherwise youd be calling yourself something other than 'an atheist' ) . So continuing....let us examine HOW willing you truly would be ,shall we ??
Google search = serious investigation?1. Tell us how diligent youve been in the past to seek out the scientific evidence for an intelligent Designer; tell us about your exhaustive personal research and list the Sources you went to ? Tell us how you have used the simple google-search feature on your computer in your serious investigation ? Tell us about how open-minded you are to approach this topic in an unbiased way and not come to the table with your mind already made up (being an atheist) ?
Utterly irrelevant. We're talking about your claim, not those of the opposing side. Even if they were false, that has no bearing on your claim.2. YOU tell us how natural causes (the atheists worldview/origins) can explain the origin of the universe, the origin of our firmly-established Physics Constants and Mathematical Constants all working together ,flawlessly and in unison, and then being sustained day after day after day ...as one example ?
Right. Self couldn't possibly be approaching this topic honestly because of his orientation?3. YOU tell us about any personal ulterior motives you may have for NEEDING to maintain your atheism ... such as but not limited to, your sexual mores and maintenance of other lifestyle choices ?
It's so funny how someone as dishonest and evasive as you will sign off with such sanctimonious drivel as this. If you were actually concerned about honesty, you would have responded to calls to back up your unsupported assertion about three posts back. Instead you have engaged in nothing but red herrings and smearing your opposition.Lets get these things out of the way first, so you can properly / accurately / and unbiasedly consider the scientific evidences we have for an obvious intelligent Designer. Thank you in advance for your honesty, forthrightness at divulging information concerning your personal life, and your genuineness for really wanting to know the scientific evidences for our Creator (as if you dont know them and cant discover what they are, already).
Well, I'm not an atheist, and I haven't searched for scientific evidence of an Intelligent Designer. I also haven't searched for scientific evidence of ghosts, spirits, demons, or gods. This is because science can't tell us anything about the supernatural because the supernatural can't be observed. Science only makes conclusions about the natural world that we are a part of.1. Tell us how diligent youve been in the past to seek out the scientific evidence for an intelligent Designer; tell us about your exhaustive personal research and list the Sources you went to ? Tell us how you have used the simple google-search feature on your computer in your serious investigation ? Tell us about how open-minded you are to approach this topic in an unbiased way and not come to the table with your mind already made up (being an atheist) ?
If you're looking for a unified theory of everything, then I'm afraid it hasn't been discovered.2. YOU tell us how natural causes (the atheists worldview/origins) can explain the origin of the universe, the origin of our firmly-established Physics Constants and Mathematical Constants all working together ,flawlessly and in unison, and then being sustained day after day after day ...as one example ?
As I mentioned before, I'm not an atheist. I believe in the existence of deities. The origin of the universe has no effect on my morality or choices. It is not necessary for the universe to have been created for me to hold my beliefs, nor is it necessary for life to have an intelligent designer or to have evolved.3. YOU tell us about any personal ulterior motives you may have for NEEDING to maintain your atheism ... such as but not limited to, your sexual mores and maintenance of other lifestyle choices ?
There can't be any scientific evidence for god - as I stated above, science can only draw conclusions about the natural world. Science says nothing about the existence, or lack thereof, of gods, spirits, demons, or ghosts.Lets get these things out of the way first, so you can properly / accurately / and unbiasedly consider the scientific evidences we have for an obvious intelligent Designer. Thank you in advance for your honesty, forthrightness at divulging information concerning your personal life, and your genuineness for really wanting to know the scientific evidences for our Creator (as if you dont know them and cant discover what they are, already).
That's a terrible assumption.Ill just be dialoguing with you personally , as im sure you well represent the other 'Atheists' in this thread in an accurate manner. Regards.
Perhaps that's because your preconceptions about them are wrong.... Ever consider that point sherlock?
Oh yeah, and you still haven't provided that evidence you claim you have. Lets see it.
Wrong Watson ; I dont have a 'preconception' ... rather, i used to LIVE atheism for a good 10 years as an adult so i know all the ins and outs and motives behind wanting to be One. It sure isnt based on scientific evidence that anyone is 'an atheist' -- but rather a personal philosophical appeal . Usually : Maximized 'freedom' to live as as One likes .
No, there is no reason for him to answer the questions, as most of them are utterly irrelevant to the claim you raised. If you want a shot at being taken seriously, then stop being so evasive every time someone asks you to back up your claims.And, im waiting for Mr. Selfin to give answer to the questions i posed to him to see just how serious HE is...otherwise theres no sense in me giving y'all the scientific evidence now is there ?! Which means youd have to do a google search (and im sure you wont want to do that ,right ?) .
I wasn't quite sure how to word this question. I was originally going to call it "Is refusing to teach children evolution child abuse?" but that sounded a little over-dramatic.
I also wondered whether the trouble lies with teaching them creationism, rather than not teaching them evolution.
Should teaching evolution be limited to schools? Are parents required to teach their children about evolution too?
Because some of the ways of parents are child abuse. Allowing child abuse is immoral.How about we stop the state requiring individuals to do stuff that we think is right, and let them live their lives their way?
A radical notion, I know.
Because some of the ways of parents are child abuse. Allowing child abuse is immoral.
Paranoid much? I responded to this thread before, as I responded before to the other thread you commented in, remember?Are you following me around the forum?
Evolution should be left to higher education and left out of public school systems. Allow individuals to mature without the brainwashing and let them make up their own minds about evolution...if parents want their kids to learn about evolution, they should start a church for it...since evolution is closer than religion than science.
That sound you are hearing is a great deal of the world laughing at you. While it's not just your country. The whole "evolution bad!" issue is unique among western democracies.
Being on the same page as the rest of the world has never been real high on thing of importance for Americans...
Just smile and stay second
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