Should Recreational Drug Use Be Decriminalized?

rrguy · May 24, 2015

I could be wrong, but what learned, the war on drugs has cost billions & hasn't stopped it from being used? It has done more harm than good. It created a trafficking system that cost more lifes than we will ever hear about. They do spend allot trying to stop it at the borders. Making it less available seems to increase its price & market for manufacturing more harmful drugs? If legalizing marijuana would cut down on all the deaths caused by the illegal trafficking & meth abuse I'd be for it. It seems to be too often available to kids looking for it. Sounds like more of a admitting making it illegal hasn't been working? For the record I don't smoke and never smoked the stuff.

Conner · May 24, 2015

WirSindBettler said:
Brian Wilson took a lot more than LSD. Besides, LSD is completely non-addictive, cures depression and cluster headaches, and the only negative affects are correlated with people who have pre-existing mental issues. So no, it's pretty safe, actually.

That is true but I had a friend who tried LSD and he said that he was on a staircase for what felt like an hour and he could not go anywhere and also I have heard from someone that when they drive they sometimes see 18-wheelers pop out of nowhere due to excessive LSD use that messes with their brain permanently. Not everyone is as chill and mellow as Cheech and Chong and sees flowers and smiling suns.

Conner · May 24, 2015

rrguy said:
I could be wrong, but what learned, the war on drugs has cost billions & hasn't stopped it from being used? It has done more harm than good. It created a trafficking system that cost more lifes than we will ever hear about. They do spend allot trying to stop it at the borders. Making it less available seems to increase its price & market for manufacturing more harmful drugs? If legalizing marijuana would cut down on all the deaths caused by the illegal trafficking & meth abuse I'd be for it. It seems to be too often available to kids looking for it. Sounds like more of a admitting making it illegal hasn't been working? For the record I don't smoke and never smoked the stuff.

I do not think marijuana should be illegal. I think you should be 21 to smoke it but I think LSD and anything that makes you hallucinate should be illegal.

WirSindBettler · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
That is true but I had a friend who tried LSD and he said that he was on a staircase for what felt like an hour and he could not go anywhere and also I have heard from someone that when they drive they sometimes see 18-wheelers pop out of nowhere due to excessive LSD use that messes with their brain permanently. Not everyone is as chill and mellow as Cheech and Chong and sees flowers and smiling suns.

Cheech and Chong did pot. Not LSD. It doesn't "mess with your brain permanently" unless you have a pre-existing condition such as schizophrenia, severe depression, or OCD.

I don't do drugs though, and never have.

Conner · May 24, 2015

WirSindBettler said:
Cheech and Chong did pot. Not LSD. It doesn't "mess with your brain permanently" unless you have a pre-existing condition such as schizophrenia, severe depression, or OCD.

I don't do drugs though, and never have.

I kind of used Cheech and Chong as a metaphor for someone who is open to drugs. Example: When Chong tried to snort that powdery soap. But anyway, I do not think that drugs are the world's biggest problem right now but when we as Christians start saying that altering your state of mind is OK where do we draw the line? I would love for everyone to take LSD and find God but I know too many people that have had bad trips and it scarred them for life!

Conner · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
I kind of used Cheech and Chong as a metaphor for someone who is open to drugs. Example: When Chong tried to snort that powdery soap. But anyway, I do not think that drugs are the world's biggest problem right now but when we as Christians start saying that altering your state of mind is OK where do we draw the line? I would love for everyone to take LSD and find God but I know too many people that have had bad trips and it scarred them for life!

And to add to that even Dave Grohl said he gave it up after having tiny dinosaurs nip at his feet. This is a guy who was in a band with Kurt Cobain who took lots of drugs.

Colter · May 24, 2015

rrguy said:
I could be wrong, but what learned, the war on drugs has cost billions & hasn't stopped it from being used? It has done more harm than good. It created a trafficking system that cost more lifes than we will ever hear about. They do spend allot trying to stop it at the borders. Making it less available seems to increase its price & market for manufacturing more harmful drugs? If legalizing marijuana would cut down on all the deaths caused by the illegal trafficking & meth abuse I'd be for it. It seems to be too often available to kids looking for it. Sounds like more of a admitting making it illegal hasn't been working? For the record I don't smoke and never smoked the stuff.

So, why not legalize all the other things that cause people to get arrested and go to jail? Seems like we are claiming that the problem is jail as opposed to what is being done to our fellow citizens who's brains and souls are taken over by the drugs.

Colter · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
I do not think marijuana should be illegal. I think you should be 21 to smoke it but I think LSD and anything that makes you hallucinate should be illegal.

yea, when it's regulated at 21 "suddenly" people will follow the law.

Once it's legal and regulated, the message to the children is that it's ok!

Conner · May 24, 2015

I do not think drugs should be legal I guess I kind of felt pressure to say that. My real concern is that people on this website ACTUALLY think LSD is OK and I disagree with that 100%. I actually agree with you. I am sorry if I made it look like I think drugs are OK.

WirSindBettler · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
I do not think drugs should be legal I guess I kind of felt pressure to say that. My real concern is that people on this website ACTUALLY think LSD is OK and I disagree with that 100%. I actually agree with you. I am sorry if I made it look like I think drugs are OK.

I know, I know, I'm a terrible person for thinking that LSD is ok.

From the National Institute of Drug Abuse "LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior. However, LSD does produce tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved."

Here's what I assume you keep hinting at, even though you have no evidence to back it up aside from band members. "In some individuals, the flashbacks can persist and cause significant distress or impairment in social or occupational functioning, a condition known as hallucinogen-induced persisting perceptual disorder (HPPD)."

However, HPPD is almost exclusively linked with people who do other hallucinogens (*cough* Peyote *cough*) and only really occurs if the subject has pre-existing mental conditions such as schizophrenia, OCD, manic depression, &c.

Brian Wilson, who you used as your first example, was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type which supposedly caused him to hear voices in his head. He wasn't a normal person taking LSD. Likewise, Dave Grohl took LSD during a time when he was suffering from severe depression over the death of Kurt Cobain.

LSD does give you flashbacks, but it has only been proven in cases where there are definitive pre-existing mental conditions.

I don't take LSD, but don't give me the whole "you can't be a good Christian and support use of drugs" spiel, because I'm tired of it.

I don't support use of drugs. Heck, I don't even do drugs. But neither pot nor LSD have any serious side effects to the degree of alcohol, and yet alcohol is perfectly legal. Unless you've joined the local temperance league, strop trying to insinuate that I'm a bad person because I listen to ideas proposed.

Conner · May 24, 2015

WirSindBettler said:
I know, I know, I'm a terrible person for thinking that LSD is ok.

From the National Institute of Drug Abuse "LSD is not considered an addictive drug since it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior. However, LSD does produce tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved."

Here's what I assume you keep hinting at, even though you have no evidence to back it up aside from band members. "In some individuals, the flashbacks can persist and cause significant distress or impairment in social or occupational functioning, a condition known as hallucinogen-induced persisting perceptual disorder (HPPD)."

However, HPPD is almost exclusively linked with people who do other hallucinogens (*cough* Peyote *cough*) and only really occurs if the subject has pre-existing mental conditions such as schizophrenia, OCD, manic depression, &c.

Brian Wilson, who you used as your first example, was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type which supposedly caused him to hear voices in his head. He wasn't a normal person taking LSD. Likewise, Dave Grohl took LSD during a time when he was suffering from severe depression over the death of Kurt Cobain.

LSD does give you flashbacks, but it has only been proven in cases where there are definitive pre-existing mental conditions.

I don't take LSD, but don't give me the whole "you can't be a good Christian and support use of drugs" spiel, because I'm tired of it.

I don't support use of drugs. Heck, I don't even do drugs. But neither pot nor LSD have any serious side effects to the degree of alcohol, and yet alcohol is perfectly legal. Unless you've joined the local temperance league, strop trying to insinuate that I'm a bad person because I listen to ideas proposed.

I see what you are saying. You know what, I am going to stop discussing it here because I know what the drug professionals say are mostly true. I do not condone drugs nor would I vote to legalize it but I do think you should not serve time in jail for it. I do not think drugs are worthy of jail time but I do think we need to make sure the drugs do not get into the hands of crazy people and that if people are going to take it they should make sure they are mentally stable. I am done discussing this! Have a good sunday, dude.

Colter · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
I do not think drugs should be legal I guess I kind of felt pressure to say that. My real concern is that people on this website ACTUALLY think LSD is OK and I disagree with that 100%. I actually agree with you. I am sorry if I made it look like I think drugs are OK.

When I was young, before finding God and getting clean and sober at 22 years old (I've been clean 30 years now) I did LSD a bunch of times. Basically LSD heightens your senses, your creative imagination. It gives one the sense of having some sort of higher vision in the mind, like discovering some great "truths" about life. But the problem is, when you come down from tripping for 7-8 hours, all that profound stuff is forgotten (if t was in fact profound to begin with). No, it really isn't finding real enduring "truth" like the Living truth of the Holy Sprit.

In my opinion all drugs have one thing in common, apart from a social glass of wine or beer with friends, drugs and the abuse of anything habit forming, is "self centered" rather than social-service centered. We are just artificially stimulating pleasure centers in the brain.

The Father has given us many ways to enjoy life, fake drugs are just to powerful on our brains.

rrguy · May 24, 2015

Colter said:
So, why not legalize all the other things that cause people to get arrested and go to jail? Seems like we are claiming that the problem is jail as opposed to what is being done to our fellow citizens who's brains and souls are taken over by the drugs.

So you want every

Colter said:
So, why not legalize all the other things that cause people to get arrested and go to jail? Seems like we are claiming that the problem is jail as opposed to what is being done to our fellow citizens who's brains and souls are taken over by the drugs.

Drugs is a very general statement & people react to same drugs different. If you want to make illegal every substance that can alter the brain then give up allot of household chemicals & gas propane etc.... there are allot of drugs legal that are more harmful to the body! I've been around more than enough people on weed vs seeing them on other drugs! If it has a purpose for relieving pain for some etc.. I believe it is still better vs Ones much more addictive or hearing how & what meth & drugs made in someone house does to a person! When the last time you heard it took 5 police to arrest a guy on marijuana????? If 10 people die every hour because marijuana is illegal & it still makes it to the people who want it but still makes other drugs competitive? Then you are saying you rather have people killed vs the least dangerous drug regulated? ... If someone is getting more jail time for being caught with weed than someone robbing another or rape, then yes I think there is a problem.

Paradoxum · May 24, 2015

Conner said:
I do not think marijuana should be illegal. I think you should be 21 to smoke it but I think LSD and anything that makes you hallucinate should be illegal.

Why? Shouldn't it be each person's right what they do with their own body? In what way is telling someone what they can do with their own body not authoritarian oppression?

To me, this sounds like treating people like property on this issue. It's their body, but saying they can't control their body, is treating them like your property.

No?

TheQuietRiot · May 24, 2015

We as adults should be able to put whatever substance in your body that you like as long as you do not cause harm or loss to other's in any tangible way.

If I want to eat a pile of pebbles then why should another free, independent adult tell me no? I could smoke 300 cigs a day until my lungs give out or buy enough alcohol to poison myself and nobody has the legal power to stop me. But I can't even legally smoke a joint in the privacy of my own home.

Why?

I favour decriminalisation of drugs, and the treating of addiction as a medical issue not a criminal one. Keeping drugs illegal only makes empowers dealers not weaken them. If I could grow my own plant for personal use then I would have no need to visit a dealer to buy it. They would all be out of their jobs, because its remarkably easy to do. Makes a nice edition to anyones garden

Colter · May 24, 2015

TheQuietRiot said:
We as adults should be able to put whatever substance in your body that you like as long as you do not cause harm or loss to other's in any tangible way.

If I want to eat a pile of pebbles then why should another free, independent adult tell me no? I could smoke 300 cigs a day until my lungs give out or buy enough alcohol to poison myself and nobody has the legal power to stop me. But I can't even legally smoke a joint in the privacy of my own home.

Why?

I favour decriminalisation of drugs, and the treating of addiction as a medical issue not a criminal one. Keeping drugs illegal only makes empowers dealers not weaken them. If I could grow my own plant for personal use then I would have no need to visit a dealer to buy it. They would all be out of their jobs, because its remarkably easy to do. Makes a nice edition to anyones garden

If we have to pay for the revolving door of expensive addiction treatment, which has a very low success rate, then it does effect us. The truth is people don't live as islands, our self destruction effects society.

TheQuietRiot · May 24, 2015

Colter said:
If we have to pay for the revolving door of expensive addiction treatment, which has a very low success rate, then it does effect us. The truth is people don't live as islands, our self destruction effects society.

Not all drug use leads to self destruction. That is a fallacy that you make.

I have a steady job, I have my own home and a girlfriend. I also smoke weed occasionally. I would like to do this legally, why shouldn't I be able too? Why should those who can't enjoy a substance responsibly and end up getting addicted spoil it for the rest of us.

Its the exact same with alcoholics. I can drink responsibly even though there are millions of people who are dependent on it.

What's the difference?

Paradoxum · May 25, 2015

Colter said:
If we have to pay for the revolving door of expensive addiction treatment, which has a very low success rate, then it does effect us. The truth is people don't live as islands, our self destruction effects society.

Some drugs aren't chemically addictive you know?

Also, I doubt people would want to ban junk food because it can cause health issues. Car accidents also kill alot of people. Should cars be banned?

(Drug taxes could also go towards healthcare).

Colter · May 25, 2015

Paradoxum said:
Some drugs aren't chemically addictive you know?

Also, I doubt people would want to ban junk food because it can cause health issues. Car accidents also kill alot of people. Should cars be banned?

(Drug taxes could also go towards healthcare).

I've always liked your picture, is that you?

Anyhow, be reasonable, I'm talking about the major drugs that are abused here in the states like crack, meth, heroin, weed.

You've been pretty sharp in other post on this forum, so do you really mean to say legalize terribly addictive drugs, tax them to pay to treat the destroyed lives?

nonbeliever314 · May 26, 2015

Pot, LSD and Mushrooms should be legal. Sometimes painkillers would be nice though..... (I don't do any of what I just mentioned often, seriously) I already have a benzodiazepine problem thanks to my dumb doctor and my inherited anxiety problem, I don't need anything else to put up with. Even though if I could I would do LSD at least once a year. And pot is harmless, I don't smoke it because I just don't like it, I'd rather drink.

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