Should I just give up?

[mjterry87]

Hey

For the past month (wow, what a long time huh ) I have considered myself a Messianic Jew, because of all the pegan influences on the teachings of Yeshua, the eviction of the Torah and the laws of the profets in the religion, and just not being satisifed in my Christian Church. But lately it has been really hard for me. I mean, im 16, know no Jews, and anyboady who I try to share the MJ theology with thinks it is bull****. Should I just give up, I mean just go on being a regular christian, and forget the Jewishness of the religion? Or should I keep on with this? I mean it is hard, I dont know if any of you know how it is to be different religion wise, its just that I dont consider myself a christian because of the of the bull**** in it. I mean there are over 1,000,000 denominations of it, and all think negatively of each other. I try to embrace the "true Christianity" as you and I see it, but noboady in my life does! I cant celebrate the Jewish holidays, and keep a lot of the laws because of it. Plus I am not a Jew, as most people see it. So why should I keep on with it? What should I do?

 

[kua2u]

Hello MJterry87,
I think you should continue on your journey to finding the religion that is for you. But don't quit any religion because of all the bull-chips, because as you've noticed they are sprinkled freely through out. Religions are big-business beaurocrates. Your FAITH is personal and should be intimate. I too find it disconcerting that there are all these denominations each declaring that they have the true answer. But, all I can do is MY search. All I can do is MY best. All I can do is find a church that kind of fits my beliefs . . . and work therein.

I think it is wonderful that at age 16 you have these questions. In my faith, JC must have felt much the same way. He saw his faith as inclusive and loving; others saw it another way.

Don't be discouraged. In the end, it is between you and God.

Hey

For the past month (wow, what a long time huh ) I have considered myself a Messianic Jew, because of all the pegan influences on the teachings of Yeshua, the eviction of the Torah and the laws of the profets in the religion, and just not being satisifed in my Christian Church. But lately it has been really hard for me. I mean, im 16, know no Jews, and anyboady who I try to share the MJ theology with thinks it is bull****. Should I just give up, I mean just go on being a regular christian, and forget the Jewishness of the religion? Or should I keep on with this? I mean it is hard, I dont know if any of you know how it is to be different religion wise, its just that I dont consider myself a christian because of the of the bull**** in it. I mean there are over 1,000,000 denominations of it, and all think negatively of each other. I try to embrace the "true Christianity" as you and I see it, but noboady in my life does! I cant celebrate the Jewish holidays, and keep a lot of the laws because of it. Plus I am not a Jew, as most people see it. So why should I keep on with it? What should I do?

 

[blessed2]

Sweety,
I think the most important thing in the world is following the true faith. When all is said and done, when I stand before my maker, I don't want to be standing in front of a stranger, you know what I mean? This life will pass away, when I face G-d, will it matter what anyone else thought or followed or will I be judged on my own?
If the L-rd is leading you to His truth, follow Him and no one else.
Pray over this, He is the answer. As His followers we have always had to hold fast to our faith and always in the face of opposition but our reward is great. Do not fear swimming against the tide when you follow truth. You have a faith community here, you are not alone.
Remember also that few are won by words but a leader leads by example.....when others see you walk in faith and the light within you, many will wonder, question, seek and often be won.
Pray, follow the truth, hold fast, and know my prayers will be with you.

 

[visionary]

God’s true temple, where He wants to reign, is our minds. The positions that God has planned for us since the beginning are services in His kingdom as His priests and kings. We are to enter into His kingdom knowing our responsibilities and all our duties that the different positions implies which have been established from before the beginning. Study these things in the privacy of your own home, grow rich in the wisdom of the Lord. Pray for the changing character that the Lord wants in your life, worry not what the world is doing, for you have found the narrow path and it is on this path you will be lead farther away from the traditions of men and more into the truth as it is found in Yeshua.

We are to be the Temple of God. We are the Temple where He wishes to dwell. If there is one thing that should be made clear, it is the value of what you think and who you have dedicated your mind to study and what you should know regarding the true light of what Yeshua wants you to understand. May this be the true portion of meat from the Lord in our due season, good for your spiritual walk. May you be richly blessed with the insights and spiritual blessings contained within the Holy Word.

 

[Henaynei]

Shalom mjterry,

Only you can say if you can stay the course with MJism. You, like most of us, are a Messianic Gentile. What a Messianic Gentile gives up to follow MJism is rarely discussed in the community. One of the big issues is that we give up being a witness to our unsaved family and friends because they don't relate to the Jewishness of the faith and from their view we have "followed another religion" - in addition, where Jews who take on MJism *may* eventually be accepted as having returned to the faith of Judaism and increase their witness to their families, as Messianic Gentiles we know that we will rarely if ever be accepted by the Jewish community for who and what we are.

All of this means that the path of MJism for the non-Jew is frought with misunderstanding, isolation and charges of heresy - from those who are the closest to us and those with whom we try to fellowship. This is especially so in your situation (your age and no MJ support system in your physical area). BUT it is not unlike the struggles I have read about in the Teen rooms here where a youth gets saved in secular family - the sense of isolation and loss of community is real.

You will find us here a supportive family by and large - though we do have our craziness and squabbles. I do encourage you to seek a MJ community in your area - there is no substitute for a physical community. You may also find some peer support in the Teen areas of this forum.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

 

[KelsayDL]

No.

You should not give up. What has been revealed to you is from the Holy Spirit himself. Don't cast it aside.

It can be frustrating, I know.

I've given up trying to reach my friends and family with words and theological debate. It causes too much anxiety. It's like beating my head against a brick wall. Now, I'm just trying to live and learn of the faith of Yeshua, his Apostles and all the prophets of old.

Live it, and they will come. But it takes time, far longer than one month.

Buck up and settle in for the longhaul mjt.

 

[mjterry87]

Thanks for all the support guys. I decided to keep with it, because something has guided me to this, right? So I should keep with it. I know that it will be hard, but maybe people will come around. Anyways just wanted to say thanks for the support.

Shalom

 

[Sephania]

Terry, it is not important that people "come around" that is not what the Spirt is asking of you is it? no, I don't believe so, He is calling you to follow him. People will either reject you or observe and learn from you, this is your witness, to be in obedience to Him. Don't worry about what others think of you, you are not here to please them. Nothing that is ever worthwhile is easy and that goes for being obedient to the creator. Others will scoff at you but it won't be for what you may think, its because deep down in their heart of hearts they know what you are doing is right, and good, and what is the L-rDS way, and they are ashamed.


Just look at yourself as being chosen as a living witness to the Torah.............and that is the Living Word!



Shalom
Z~

 

[visionary]

Terry, it is not important that people "come around" that is not what the Spirt is asking of you is it? no, I don't believe so, He is calling you to follow him. People will either reject you or observe and learn from you, this is your witness, to be in obedience to Him. Don't worry about what others think of you, you are not here to please them. Nothing that is ever worthwhile is easy and that goes for being obedient to the creator. Others will scoff at you but it won't be for what you may think, its because deep down in their heart of hearts they know what you are doing is right, and good, and what is the L-rDS way, and they are ashamed.


Just look at yourself as being chosen as a living witness to the Torah.............and that is the Living Word!

.

Shalom
Z~

May your light shine bright, good for all occasions, and give glory to Yeshua and Torah

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Hey

For the past month (wow, what a long time huh ) I have considered myself a Messianic Jew, because of all the pegan influences on the teachings of Yeshua, the eviction of the Torah and the laws of the profets in the religion, and just not being satisifed in my Christian Church. But lately it has been really hard for me. I mean, im 16, know no Jews, and anyboady who I try to share the MJ theology with thinks it is bull****. Should I just give up, I mean just go on being a regular christian, and forget the Jewishness of the religion? Or should I keep on with this? I mean it is hard, I dont know if any of you know how it is to be different religion wise, its just that I dont consider myself a christian because of the of the bull**** in it. I mean there are over 1,000,000 denominations of it, and all think negatively of each other. I try to embrace the "true Christianity" as you and I see it, but noboady in my life does! I cant celebrate the Jewish holidays, and keep a lot of the laws because of it. Plus I am not a Jew, as most people see it. So why should I keep on with it? What should I do?

Shalom mjterry,
At times a day or even an hour can seem a long time as well. Consider this, Noah was witnessing to the whole world around him for ONE HUNDRED YEARS by building the Ark which YHWH commanded him to build. Before the FLOOD there wasn't rain as we know it, for a dew water the earth before then. Now Noah had to have A LOT OF TRUST(FAITH) IN YHWH to be Obediant as he was in building the Ark.
We can feel alone at times in doing our best in Learning what YHWH wants of us to witness before all the people we come into contact with. Even Elijah was feeling alone as the following states:

Rom 11:1-5 HNV (1) I ask then, did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Yisra'eli, a descendant of Avraham, of the tribe of Binyamin. (2) God didn't reject his people, which he foreknew. Or don't you know what the Scripture says about Eliyahu? How he pleads with God against Yisra'el: (3) "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have broken down your altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life." (4) But how does God answer him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Ba`al." (5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

As in Noahs time how many of the world were spared from destruction? I'll let you answer that one, brother.

We all should look to the Jewishness or rather Hebrewness or Israeliteness of YHWH's Scriptures within the Tanakh(OT) and B'rit Khadashah(NT) to have a true understanding of what is written. Here read this:

Rom 3:1-31 HNV Then what advantage does the Jew have? Or what is the profit of circumcision? (2) Much in every way! Because first of all, they were entrusted with the oracles of God. (3) For what if some were without faith? Will their lack of faith nullify the faithfulness of God? (4) May it never be! Yes, let God be found true, but every man a liar. As it is written, "That you might be justified in your words, and might prevail when you come into judgment." (5) But if our unrighteousness commends the righteousness of God, what will we say? Is God unrighteous who inflicts wrath? I speak like men do. (6) May it never be! For then how will God judge the world? (7) For if the truth of God through my lie abounded to his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? (8) Why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), "Let us do evil, that good may come?" Those who say so are justly condemned. (9) What then? Are we better than they? No, in no way. For we previously charged both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin. (10) As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one. (11) There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. (12) They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not, so much as one." (13) "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit." "The poison of vipers is under their lips;" (14) "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness." (15) "Their feet are swift to shed blood. (16) Destruction and misery are in their ways. (17) The way of shalom, they haven't known." (18) "There is no fear of God before their eyes." (19) Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God. (20) Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin. (21) But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the Torah and the Prophets; (22) even the righteousness of God through faith in Yeshua the Messiah to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, (23) for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; (24) being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yeshua; (25) whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God's forbearance; (26) to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time; that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him who has faith in Yeshua. (27) Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what manner of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. (28) We maintain therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. (29) Or is God the God of Jews only? Isn't he the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, (30) since indeed there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith, and the uncircumcised through faith. (31) Do we then nullify the law through faith? May it never be! No, we establish the law.

Also:

Mat 23:1-3 HNV Then Yeshua spoke to the multitudes and to his talmidim, (2) saying, "The scribes and the Perushim sat on Moshe' seat. (3) All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don't do their works; for they say, and don't do.

Read the rest of the chapter.
So why did Yeshua say to OBSERVE and DO what the Scribes and Perushim(Pharisees) tell us? What do they hold and teach before those in the Synogogues? The Torah and Prophets!!! Yet all are MAN and therefore can be just as guilty in Hoarding it over the congregations as well as any MAN in AUTHORITY. Just remember there are those who are actually wanting to seek and teach the TRUTH in this world. Just remember the look at the FRUIT of there actions, whether the fruit lines up with YHWH's WORD or not. As in the Christian realm, we in the Messianic Judaism realm also have splits in what is TRUTH. Alot of those splits are because many carry baggage from previous beliefs that are intertwined in what the World wants which is of Hasatan. Lies mixed with Truth.
Those Jewish Holy days you refer to are actually YHWH's Holy days.

Lev 23:2 HNV "Speak to the children of Yisra'el, and tell them, 'The set feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts.
Eze 44:24 HNV In a controversy they shall stand to judge; according to my ordinances shall they judge it: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my appointed feasts; and they shall make my Shabbatot holy.

Don't fear what man can do to you. Fear what YHWH can do to you!

2Ti 1:6-14 HNV For this cause, I remind you that you should stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. (7) For God didn't give us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-control. (8) Therefore don't be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner; but endure hardship for the Good News according to the power of God, (9) who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Messiah Yeshua before times eternal, (10) but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior, Messiah Yeshua, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Good News. (11) For this, I was appointed as a preacher, an emissary, and a teacher of the Gentiles. (12) For this cause I also suffer these things. Yet I am not ashamed, for I know him whom I have believed, and I am persuaded that he is able to guard that which I have committed to him against that day. (13) Hold the pattern of sound words which you have heard from me, in faith and love which is in Messiah Yeshua. (14) That good thing which was committed to you, guard through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.
Ecc 8:12 HNV Though a sinner commits crimes a hundred times, and lives long, yet surely I know that it will be better with those who fear God, who are reverent before him.

Pro 2:1-22 HNV My son, if you will receive my words, and store up my mitzvot within you; (2) So as to turn your ear to wisdom, and apply your heart to understanding; (3) Yes, if you call out for discernment, and lift up your voice for understanding; (4) If you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures: (5) then you will understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. (6) For the LORD gives wisdom. Out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding. (7) He lays up sound wisdom for the upright. He is a shield to those who walk in integrity; (8) that he may guard the paths of justice, and preserve the way of his holy ones. (9) Then you will understand righteousness and justice, equity and every good path. (10) For wisdom will enter into your heart. Knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. (11) Discretion will watch over you. Understanding will keep you, (12) to deliver you from the way of evil, from the men who speak perverse things; (13) who forsake the paths of uprightness, to walk in the ways of darkness; (14) who rejoice to do evil, and delight in the perverseness of evil; (15) who are crooked in their ways, and wayward in their paths: (16) To deliver you from the strange woman, even from the foreigner who flatters with her words; (17) who forsakes the friend of her youth, and forgets the covenant of her God: (18) for her house leads down to death, her paths to the dead. (19) None who go to her return again, neither do they attain to the paths of life: (20) that you may walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous. (21) For the upright will dwell in the land. The perfect will remain in it. (22) But the wicked will be cut off from the land. The treacherous will be rooted out of it.

Just find places that do keep YHWH's Torah and Feast days and learn from them and enjoy YHWH's DAYS and TORAH with those who also do. Why be yoked to a NON-Believer or rather a LAWLESS-Believer. Just remember we don't obey the Torah for salvation, we obey Torah because they are the Wisdom that YHWH has given to us through Moshe(Moses) to lead us in Righteous living.

Shalom and Shalom,

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