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Shmiras Halashon

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Shmiras Halashon

It seems that many on these forums have been committing Lashon Hara... myself not excluded. In fact, I have never been a shining example of a pure tongue, and all the more reason to post this here. I hope it may only inspire us to hold oursleves accountable to a higher standard.

Taken from Judaism 101:

Lashon Hara

When non-observant people talk about how difficult it is to observe Jewish law, they usually mention the difficulty of observing Shabbat or keeping kosher or other similarly detailed rituals.

Yet the laws that are most difficult to keep, that are most commonly violated even by observant Jews, are the laws regarding improper speech. This is a very important area of Jewish law; entire books have been written on the subject.

The Power of Speech

Judaism is intensely aware of the power of speech and of the harm that can be done through speech. The Rabbis note that the universe itself was created through speech. Of the 43 sins enumerated in the Al Chet confession recited on Yom Kippur, 11 are sins committed through speech. The Talmud tells that the tongue is an instrument so dangerous that it must be kept hidden from view, behind two protective walls (the mouth and teeth) to prevent its misuse.

The harm done by speech is even worse than the harm done by stealing or by cheating someone financially, because amends can be made for monetary harms, but the harm done by speech can never be repaired. For this reason, some sources indicate that there is no forgiveness for lashon ha-ra (disparaging speech). A Chasidic tale illustrates this point: A man went about the community telling malicious lies about the rabbi. Later, he realized the wrong he had done, and began to feel remorse. He went to the rabbi and begged his forgiveness, saying he would do anything he could to make amends. The rabbi told the man, "Take a feather pillow, cut it open, and scatter the feathers to the winds." The man thought this was a strange request, but it was a simple enough task, and he did it gladly. When he returned to tell the rabbi that he had done it, the rabbi said, "Now, go and gather the feathers. Because you can no more make amends for the damage your words have done than you can recollect the feathers."

Speech has been compared to an arrow: once the words are released, like an arrow, they cannot be recalled, the harm they do cannot be stopped, and the harm they do cannot always be predicted, for words like arrows often go astray.

Tale-Bearing

There are two mitzvot in the Torah that specifically address improper speech: Thou shalt not go up and down as a tale-bearer among thy people (Lev. 19:16), and ye shall not wrong one another (Lev. 25:17, which according to tradition refers to wronging a person with speech).

Tale-bearing is, essentially, any gossip. The Hebrew word for tale-bearer is "rakheel" (Resh-Kaf-Yod-Lamed), which is related to a word meaning trader or merchant. The idea is that a tale-bearer is like a merchant, but he deals in information instead of goods. In our modern "Information Age," the idea of information as a product has become more clear than ever before, yet it is present even here in the Torah.

It is a violation of this mitzvah to say anything about another person, even it is true, even if it is not negative, even if it is not secret, even if it hurts no one, even if the person himself would tell the same thing if asked! It is said that the telling of gossip leads to bloodshed, which is why the next words in the Torah are "you shall not stand aside while your fellow's blood is shed." The story of Do'eig the Edomite (I Samuel Chs. 21-22) is often used to illustrate the harm that can be done by tale-bearing. Do'eig saw Achimelekh the Kohein give David bread and a sword, a completely innocent act intended to aid a leading member of Saul's court. Do'eig reported this to Saul. Do'eig's story was completely true, not negative, not secret, and Achimelekh would have told Saul exactly the same thing if asked (in fact, he did so later). Yet Saul misinterpreted this tale as proof that Achimelekh was supporting David in a rebellion, and proceeded to slaughter all but one of the kohanim at Nob.

The person who listens to gossip is even worse than the person who tells it, because no harm could be done by gossip if no one listened to it. It has been said that lashon ha-ra (disparaging speech) kills three: the person who speaks it, the person who hears it, and the person about whom it is told.

In Jewish law, all things are considered to be secret unless a person specifically says otherwise. For this reason, you will note that in the Torah, G-d constantly says to Moses, "Speak to the Children of Israel, saying:" or "Speak to the Children of Israel and tell them:" If G-d did not specifically say this to Moses, Moses would be forbidden to repeat his words! Nor is there any time-limit on secrets. The Talmud tells the story of a student who revealed a secret after 22 years, and was immediately banished from the house of study!

The gravest of these sins of tale-bearing is lashon ha-ra (literally, "the evil tongue"), which involves discrediting a person or saying negative things about a person, even if those negative things are true. Some sources indicate that lashon ha-ra is equal in seriousness to murder, idol worship, and incest and adultery (the only three sins that you may not violate even to save a life).

It is forbidden to even imply or suggest negative things about a person. It is forbidden to say negative things about a person, even in jest. It is likewise considered a "shade of lashon ha-ra" to say positive things about a person in the presence of his enemies, because this will encourage his enemies to say negative things to contradict you!

One who tells disparaging things that are false is referred to as a motzi sheim ra, that is, one who spreads a bad report. This is considered the lowest of the low.

It is generally not a sin to repeat things that have been told "in the presence of three persons." The idea is that if it is told in the presence of three persons, it is already public knowledge, and no harm can come of retelling it. However, even in this case, you should not repeat it if you know you will be spreading the gossip further.

When Tale-Bearing is Allowed

There are a few exceptional circumstances when tale-bearing is allowed, or even required. Most notably, tale-bearing is required in a Jewish court of law, because it is a mitzvah to give testimony and that mitzvah overrides the general prohibition against tale-bearing. Thus, a person is required to reveal information, even if it is something that was explicitly told in confidence, even if it will harm a person, in a Jewish court of law.

A person is also required to reveal information to protect a person from immediate, serious harm. For example, if a person hears that others are plotting to kill someone, he is required to reveal this information. That is another reason why the commandment not to go about as a tale-bearer is juxtaposed with "you shall not stand aside while your fellow's blood is shed."

In limited circumstances, one is also permitted to reveal information if someone is entering into a relationship that he would not enter if he knew certain information. For example, it may be permissible to tell a person that his prospective business partner is untrustworthy, or that a prospective spouse has a disease. This exception is subject to significant and complex limitations; however, if those limitations are satisfied, the person with the information is required to reveal it.

In all of these exceptions, a person is not permitted to reveal information if the same objective could be fulfilled without revealing information. For example, if you could talk a person out of marrying for reasons other than the disease, you may not reveal the disease.
Wronging a Person through Speech

Leviticus 25:17 says, "You shall not wrong one another." This has traditionally been interpreted as wronging a person with speech. It includes any statement that will embarrass, insult or deceive a person, or cause a person emotional pain or distress.
Here are some commonly-used examples of behavior that is forbidden by this mitzvah:

· You may not call a person by a derogatory nickname, or by any other embarrassing name, even if he is used to it.
· You may not ask an uneducated person for an opinion on a scholarly matter (that would draw attention to his lack of knowledge or education).
· You may not ask a merchant how much he would sell something for if you have no intention of buying.
· You may not refer someone to another person for assistance when you know the other person cannot help (in other words, it's a violation of Jewish law to give someone the run-around!).
· You may not deceive a person, even if no harm is done by the deception; for example, you may not sell non-kosher meat to a non-Jew telling him that it is kosher, even though no harm is done to the non-Jew by this deception.
· You may not sell a person damaged goods without identifying the damage, even if the price you give is fair for the goods in their damaged condition.
· You may not offer a person a gift or invite a person to dinner if you know that the person will not accept.
· You may not compliment a person if you do not mean it.


Shalom,
Yafet.
 

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Thank you for posting that Yafet, I think that EVERYONE should read this.

Truly our tongue is the most dangerous weapon and now I believe that the PC is even more dangerous. Post a lie in one place and who knows how many feather pillows you have released, Quick Hide DUCKS!!!!:eek:


Anyway I have ( without knowing) been in agreement with these rules, especially ( the one I can remember right now) the last:

You may not compliment a person if you do not mean it.

This has usually gotten me into trouble as everyone likes to be flattered. I think that men over-abuse this the most, especially towards women with only one goal in mind. :(



If the world would only abide by half of these, WOW, can you imagine!:clap:
 
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Yes, that's the part, because if I were to go to a Kosher butcher shop and buy what I believed was Food that was killed and butchered, and processed according to G-ds laws and was not sold this, ...........

See? Also I believe that it is deceiptful in that the trust in that kosher butcher has been violated. There are many gentiles that buy from Kosher butchers, not for Biblical reasons but for purity and humane reasons. Would they too not be harmed by this deceiption?

Also I believe that if this is done the person doing it should feel remorse, for he knows and so does HaShem. :(
 
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Toda simchat_torah,

Thank you for enlightening me for I do know my mouth can go off on a tangent especially when I am wronged, basically gossip as you all might have seen already. Well I feel it is gossip after have posted my complaints of what I am going through.

Paul's Letter to the Philippians
4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there is any virtue, and if there is any praise, think about these things. 9 The things which you learned, received, heard, and saw in me: do these things, and the God of peace will be with you. 10 But I rejoice in the Lord greatly, that now at length you have revived your thought for me; in which you did indeed take thought, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in respect to lack, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content in it. 12 I know how to be humbled, and I know also how to abound. In everything and in all things I have learned the secret both to be filled and to be hungry, both to abound and to be in need. 13 I can do all things through Messiah, who strengthens me.
So if it don't fit here then don't share it.
Shabbat Shalom,

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So ok, then, I have a question for general consumption. Sometimes it is really healing and helpful to discuss one's problems and how you've been hurt or are angry at someone. And I often find that it's even important to be able to do that because people can give me good advice on how to deal with it and respond in kindness and forgiveness.

So when does it cross the line? Do you restrict it to what you would say to that person's face? Or do you omit names?

In response to Tag's post it almost seems like a GOOD thing to post on an anonymous forum about problems where no one involved would be hurt, yet otoh it's far more public that way which does also seem somewhat problematic to me.

What do you all use, as a rule of thumb of what is ok and not ok to talk about - or how?
 
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Pray4Isrel said:
I too would like to know the answers to those questions. I have always wondered the same thing.
How can healing occur if we do not tell a person the extent of our hurt, yet how can we tell someone without making it worse?
It perplexes me at times :sigh:
Anyone have any ideas?
I sure could use the help. :help:

First problem I know of is: How do you personally deal with the other person. For that is what Scripture teaches. Don't let the sun go down. The problem is that most of us learn to deal with these problems in a worldly way since after all we are surrounded by the world. That is unless you have had a YHWH upbringing with Faith in Yeshua.
It can be very hard to deal with someone that Hates you for what ever reason and we can act in kind when that happens. So if we are not children in Yeshua anymore then we will be Yeshua like and deal with the problem in what ever fashion the Ruach moves us to.

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hi sonworshipper
Yes, that's the part, because if I were to go to a Kosher butcher shop and buy what I believed was Food that was killed and butchered, and processed according to G-ds laws and was not sold this, ...........

See? Also I believe that it is deceiptful in that the trust in that kosher butcher has been violated. There are many ger that buy from Kosher butchers, not for Biblical reasons but for purity and humane reasons. Would they too not be harmed by this deceiption?

Also I believe that if this is done the person doing it should feel remorse, for he knows and so does HaShem.

if you could become an orthodox rabbi- you would indeed have been heard.

i love the insight.

and what you have said here, no doubt might be accomplished, however, only if you were a man.

I pray that you live your age until the council of the believers is set up. I pray that you live this age until Messiah returns.

If you wish to die and gain however, do it, in ONLY giving up your life for your brothers, the body of Hashem


shalom u'bracha
 
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