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The ships of Chittim that appear in the prophecy of Daniel Chapter 11 was a Roman fleet that intervened in the war between the Selucids and the Ptolemies. The Romans forced a peace settlement.
Chittim appears to have been a generic refrence used by the ancient near esterners for any lands west of syria, or possibly west of greece.
I suppose it depends on how you define the beast of Rev 13. The americas could certainly be a part of it, but I don't see anything which demands that they are (or demands that they aren't for that matter).I agree. What some may fail to grasp concerning the Americas is that they were all colonized and made nations by Europeans. When the natives were supressed and/or driven out of their land, it was colonized by Europeans (Chittim) and trade was connected between the Americas and Europe. Wouldn't this then also make the Americas part of the beast of Rev. 13? God bless
The ships of Chittim that appear in the prophecy of Daniel Chapter 11 was a Roman fleet that intervened in the war between the Selucids and the Ptolemies. The Romans forced a peace settlement.
Chittim appears to have been a generic refrence used by the ancient near esterners for any lands west of syria, or possibly west of greece.
I suppose it depends on how you define the beast of Rev 13. The americas could certainly be a part of it, but I don't see anything which demands that they are (or demands that they aren't for that matter).
From what I read in scripture it would appear that the beast of Rev 13 (and the same again in Rev 17) represents both a Man, and a system, or a kingdom.
From one standpoint, the beast is the kingdom of this world. In scripture there are two kingdoms, two cities, two households, whatever you prefer to call them. They begin at the very beginning with Cain and Abel (and seth as abel's replacement) and they go all the way down through the bible from that point on. Cain's legacy is the kingdom of this world. Cain founds the first city, his descendants make most of the advancements considered to make up civilization. While Seth's line are mostly nomads and heardsmen (as was Abel).
After the flood the line picks up with Babylon as Cain's legacy, and Abraham as God's remnant. Abraham is called out of babylonia (the city of UR specificly) into a life of wandering, seeking for a promised home.
This trend continues down through the entire bible. The kingdom of this world is at home, it is settled, the remnant of God is not at home, they wander, looking for a promised land.. they are shephards.
The beast is that World Kingdom which has been since the beginning, and it has always been trying to destroy God's remnant.
The seven heads are the seven great embodiements, or achievements of the world kingdom. Four of the heads are revealed to us by daniel, the others are not directly revealed, but aren't hard to guess when you see the pattern.
The four revealed by Daniel were Babylon (nebuchadnezer), Medo-Persia (Cyrus), Grecia (Alexander the Great), and Rome (Nero). Daniel only saw in his dream those that were in the future from his time.. thus he did not see Assyria or Egypt represented because they had already come and gone, but they are most likely included in the beast of revelation.
John says in Rev 17 that 5 of the heads had fallen, and one was in his time.. that is Rome, then the five were Greece, Persia, Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt.
That leaves 1 of the seven, which John says "will remain for a short time".. this one is debatable. I've always tended to favor Nazi Germany, but it could be something else, maybe something yet to come.
The beast also represents a man, who is number 8 on the list above.
When it says that one of the heads was mortally wounded but yet returned, many have thought this meant one of the kingdoms, others think it means one of the rulers.. it could mean both... or possibly neither
We are told in Rev 17 that the beast "was, is not, and will come up out of the abyss". This tells us that he is currently in the abyss. That raises the question is the abyss the same place as hades? Hades is where the souls of the dead humans went.. but the abyss seems only to be mentioned in the case of evil spirits. So this could strongly suggest that the beast is actually an evil spirit.. a principality which drove one of the ancient kings. (similar to how John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of elijah).
We know from daniel that there were demonic principalities which ruled over the ancient realms, perhaps the beast is one of these. Perhaps he also was the driving spirit behind someone like Alexander the Great.
We have limited detail to work with in such deductions so in the end its mostly guess work.
But, the beast represents not just a kingdom, and not just a man.. but both, and an over-arching system.. the city of Man as Augustine called it, the Kingdom of this world.
How does that fit with the details of the biblical accounts?I would say that the beast is a kingdom. horns usually represent kings. The mouth of the beast of Rev. 13 matches the description of the notable horn of Daniel 7. This then shows the beast as a kingdom, or moreso a series of kingdoms from Rome that would have much to do with the saints.
I don't think that the beast of Rev. 17 is the same as the beast of Rev. 13, because the 10 horns of Rev. 17's beast had not yet recieved a kingdom and these were reserved to battle Christ at his coming. The other ten horns of Rev. 13 weren't given that description.
Plus the the heads of the beast of Rev. 17 had to do with the kindgoms influenced by the city of Rome, whereas the heads of the beast of Rev. 13 had to do with the seven Gentile Kingdoms; Babylon, Persia, the four kingdoms of Greece, and Rome, which was fatally wounded in A.D. 476 when the Western Empire was overthrown and the barbarian tribes formed kingdoms out of its remains. The kingdoms that formed out of it were the ten horns of the beast of Revelation 13. Three kingdoms had ruled Rome before its restoration; The kingdom of Odaocer, the Ostrogoths, and the Byzantine Empire.
Som of the prophecies in daniel were fulfilled, and some are not yet fulfilled.When we consider Daniel prophecies we should look at them from the position of Jesus who was speaking to his disciples, about future events. Any effort to invoke Antichcus and the Selucids is missing what Jesus is pointing to in the future,
First here is a good referance.
http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/chittim.html
Chittim
or Kittim, a plural form (Gen. 10:4)
the name of a branch of the descendants of Javan, the "son" of Japheth. Balaam foretold (Num. 24:24) "that ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and afflict Eber"
Daniel prophesied (11:30) that the ships of Chittim would come against the king of the north. It probably denotes Cyprus, whose ancient capital was called Kition by the Greeks.
The references elsewhere made to Chittim (Isa. 23:1, 12; Jer. 2:10; Ezek. 27:6) are to be explained on the ground that while the name originally designated the Phoenicians only, it came latterly to be used of all the islands and various settlements on the sea-coasts which they had occupied, and then of the people who succeeded them when the Phoenician power decayed. Hence it designates generally the islands and coasts of the Mediterranean and the races that inhabit them.
As I see it States and corporations are all BEASTS, synthitic persons.
The first beast establishing international maratime trade was Egypt.
the second was Israel when Solomonn married Pharoahs daughter, enter 666 and six pointed star.Note Assyrai never controled the sea trade.
The third was Babylon and its resident commmunity of Israelite merchants.
The foruth was Medo- Persia and its Israelite merchants.
the 5th was Greece and its Israelite merchants.
The 6th was Roman Europe and Asia with its Israelite merchants.
The 7th is The United States and its Israelite merchants.
The 8th is Israel again and its Israelite merchants with the six pointed star of Solomon.
As things progress you will see every major government bending tp placate Israel because they have nuclear bombs and the means to deliver them on every capitol in Europe,
Israel the STATE, not house, knows they must win by any means or be destroyed.
It all means that thes are the last days and great tribulation is on the way,
Its not the fault of Jews or Islamics. Its Satans war against God. But many Jews, Christians and Islamics have and will be deceaved,
With love in Christ
brother daniel
Som of the prophecies in daniel were fulfilled, and some are not yet fulfilled.
Daniel prophecied TWO instances of the abomination of desolation. One was historical, and one is yet to come.
Chapter 11, is historically fullfilled in exact detail, up until around verse 32.. from that point on it transitions into a description of many days pasing, and then in verse 36 it focuses in again on the events at the end.
Daniel prophecies the abomination of desolation in two places. At the end of Chapter 9, and in chapter 11, verse 31.How do you come to that conclusion, of two instances of abomination of desolation being prophesied?
With love in Christ
brother daniel
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