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Wow. HSetterfield brings up a telescope at New Hope Christian Schools as evidence that scientists agree with her?
So you've got some amateur scientists and a statistician who are actively looking for anything to support their interpretation of Genesis being supported by creationist schools... and that's supposed to be evidence that the scientific community agrees with this?
As a studying physicsist I too find the ideas fascinating. I also find the evidence for them lacking as does every professor (even creationist ones) I've ever discussed this matter with.
Perhaps you should try checking out the authors he mentioned in #56 as I'm doing now, and get around to refuting those, instead of getting angry that he happened to call your hero a crank and fraud.
You're a lawyer, right? Imagine that one day a client walks in and asks you to defend him on a case. You look at the evidence and the details, and just as you're formulating a plan, he goes "Hey I have a brilliant idea. Why don't I defend myself using that thing about Double Jeopardy?" He explains his idea, and for a while it even makes sense. But hey, you're a good lawyer, and you soon realize that there are some holes and flaws that simply aren't apparent to someone who hasn't been practicing law for decades. So you try to tell him. "Well, you're not really under the stipulation of that particular clause - good try though", or "If the other side is experienced like me they'd tear us apart in ten minutes by saying such-and-such" etc. And so he listens - and then he answers by muddling up even more laws and clauses and case studies to prove his point.So grace among Christians is meant for whom? Just "right thinking" Christians?
Who is there to refute anything with? One must be heard to be able to refute.
HSetterfield is trying to portray her husband as an expert in the field. It seems rather pertinant to point out that teaching astronomy at a creationist school (and having the telescope named after one) does not in any way support such a claim. Neither does visits from scientists -- creationist or otherwise.Try reading your post and pretend that you want to make fun of it and use it to make yourself look like an idiot.
Then you will have a better idea of how far you yourself have strayed from grace and fairness.
What would YOU consider to be an indication of professional qualification?
Cute. So by being a humble and compassionate carpenter, one is a professional physicist in your eyes?
nice way to avoid the question.Well, I do know one carpenter that was the ultimate physicist!
More maliciousness.
Arp too? He is a fraud. Must have bribed someone at the Max Planck Institute? Magueijo is what, just a young turk.
nice way to avoid the question.
KerrMetric
You are something else!
1. You at least should spell Roemer right.
2. What was fraudulent about Barry's presentation?
3. Other physicists seem to be interested in Barry's work and we even know their names, unlike who you are with your vitriolic comments.
4. You are calling me a liar about men coming to talk to Barry. OK, that's your thing. In the meantime, I have had to postpone some visits because we try to limit our visitors to two sets a month. I don't really care if you believe me or not, actually. I know what the reality is here.
5. Just for the bananas of it, here is the link to the telescope that bears his name and was declared by the university folks who visited to be the best one in Oregon -- and Barry is the astronomer who teaches at the observatory: http://www.newhopechristian.net/Observatory/default.asp
6. Again, you have accused Barry of blatent fraud. Please inform us as to what you are referring to and which paper you are referring to.
7. Then again you said Barry doctored the data. You are making some serious accusations and it is not unreasonable of me, I don't think, to ask you to back them up with something more than your verbiage.
Back up what you are accusing him of, please, or stop the slander.
I'd be interested in just a little more background here from those with more knowledge- how many different lines of independent evidence are there in the field of astronomy that the Universe is very old?
Is it pulsars that allow us to independently gauge the distance to stars, and therefore allow us to determine how long it has taken for light to come to us from distant stellar bodies?
Another question I have: is there any mention in the Bible of other stellar objects, besides stars? Like, does the Bible even obliquely mention or describe galaxies, quasars, etc.
Why don't you ask him first why he believes that is a good and sufficient answer.
Grace means reading in what is missing when you can or asking whether you might be missing something the writer had in mind.
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