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Could you share for us the Creed of St. Gregory of Tatev?
«We confess and believe wholeheartedly in God the Father, uncreated, unborn, and without beginning, and begetter of the Son and the cause of the proceeding of the Holy Spirit.

We believe in God the Word, begotten of, and coming from the Father before all ages; neither after nor younger [than the Father], but as much as the Father is the Father, so the Son with Him is Son.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, uncreated, timeless, not begotten of but proceeding from the Father, consubstantial with the Father and sharing the glory with the Son.

We believe in the Holy Trinity, one Nature, one Divinity; not three gods, but one God, one Deity, one will, one kingship, one power; Creator of all visible and invisible things.

We believe in the Holy Church and the forgiveness of sins through the communion of the saints.

We believe that One of the Three Persons, God the Word, begotten by the Father before all ages, in time came down into the Mother of God, Virgin Mary, taking from her blood united it to His Divinity, waited patiently in the womb of the pure Virgin for nine months; and the perfect God became man in spirit, in mind, and in body; one Person, one Countenance, and one United Nature; humanized God without mutation and without alteration; seedless conception and pure birth; without end to His humanity, as there is no beginning to His Divinity, «For Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever» (Heb 13:8).

We believe that our Lord Jesus Christ wandered on earth, and that after thirty years He came to Baptism; the Father testified: «This is my Son, the Beloved» (Mt 17:5), and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in the form of a dove; He was tempted by Satan and defeated him.

He proclaimed salvation for humankind, worked, labored, and experienced hunger and thirst in the body. Then He willingly came to suffer; crucified, died in the body while living as [to His] divinity. His body, unseparated from His divinity, was buried in the grave, and He descended into hell with His indivisible divinity. He preached to the souls, destroyed hell, and liberated the souls. Three days after [His burial] He rose from the dead and appeared to His disciples.

We believe that our Lord Jesus Christ ascended with the same body unto heaven and sat on the right hand of the Father. And He will come to judge the living and the dead.

And to recompense according to deeds-eternal life to the righteous and eternal torment to the sinners.»
 
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My emphasis on most of my posts concerns hermeneutical rules. I probably have five books I have read that really influence my Christian life. Knowing Scripture by RC Sproul is highly influential.
This was published in 1977. When Covid hit in 2020, I set out to study specifically how Credobaptists justify their beliefs. MY CONCLUSION: Two sets of rules for interpreting Scripture. One for Christian baptism, and an altogether different set of rules for interpreting the rest of Scripture.
 
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Hot off the Press....released a few hours ago.

Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran Theosis....

Jordan B Cooper....President of the American Lutheran Theological Seminary in fellowship with LCMS

 
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Indeed, and that is very good of you. I think you will find they apply the same hermeneutic they use for baptism to the Eucharist as well, and also throw in a mistranslation of the Greek word “anamnesis” in order to justify their Memorialist or Zwinglian Eucharistic theology.

These issues are of particular concern to me, because my primary focus is on the liturgy, and the two most important liturgies the Church performs on a routine basis are those of Baptism and the Eucharist, and the Credobaptist-Memorialist or Zwinglian interpretation of these sacraments is greatly wrong.
 
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Hot off the Press....released a few hours ago.

Eastern Orthodox and Lutheran Theosis....

Jordan B Cooper....President of the American Lutheran Theological Seminary in fellowship with LCMS


Forgive me but how is that relevant to what we were just discussing? I mean, yes, its good we both believe in theosis, its unfortunate that Dr. Cooper decided to misrepresent the relative importance of the writings of Psuedo-Dionysius and also to trash them, and its also disappointing that he failed to engage with the Oriental Orthodox tradition which largely agrees with the Eastern Orthodox tradition on the subject of theosis but of course does so without recourse to St. Maximus the Confessor.
 
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the same hermeneutic they use for baptism to the Eucharist as well, and also throw in a mistranslation of the Greek word “anamnesis” in order to justify their Memorialist or Zwinglian Eucharistic theology.
With the Eucharist, I see something different. A complete lack of understanding of how literary devices work. Figures of speech such as Metaphor, Metonmyn and synecdoche expand meaning in language. Theses troupes do not change meaning in language. To change meaning especially with the Lord's Supper you change the verb. We see this at Rick Warren's Saddleback church when he says publically "This represents my body."
 
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Indeed, what Rick Saddleback is doing is basically changing the words of our Lord so that they align with his Zwinglian or Memorialist interpretation, and it is extremely wrong.
 
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Indeed, what Rick Saddleback is doing is basically changing the words of our Lord so that they align with his Zwinglian or Memorialist interpretation, and it is extremely wrong.
Rather than "the Gospel", another gospel.
 
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Rather than "the Gospel", another gospel.

Indeed, these are a problem. I am debating someone in another thread now with a similiar view; I will PM you the details.
 
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Very interesting. But the Nicene Creed remains the main one I would presume?
 
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Yes....Credo's seem to have two sets rules for interpreting Scripture.

I just found another Credo mis-interpretation a few days ago.

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Credos and the Innocent Blood mis-interpretation.

Ps. 106:38 And shed innocent blood, Even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, Whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: And the land was polluted with blood.

Credo's reasoning: "How can the blood of their children be innocent if they receive the original sin of Adam? I am not saying that the blood of innocent children and the blood of Christ are the same… Their is a difference between not have ever sinned, and your blood having the capability take away someone else’s sin, and someone who has original sin, but that isn’t held accountable yet for that sin."​

Any Bible dictionary or encyclopedia states the term "innocent blood" refers to the shedding of blood of those who have not committed a civil crime deserving of death. This concept is deeply rooted in the moral and legal codes of the Bible, emphasizing the sanctity of life and the divine mandate for justice. Shedding innocent blood is the Biblical term for the unjustified taking of human life. The "shedding of innocent blood" is a clear transgression of the commandment "You shall not murder."

The shedding of innocent blood pertains to adults as well children (Jeremiah 26:15, Proverbs 6:17, Dt. 19:10, Gen. 4, Mt. 27:4, Mt 27:14).

Credo's in departing from the historic understanding of original sin, must EXPLAIN IT AWAY....and in doing so....do extreme injustice to the text of Scripture.
 
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