share your favorite messianic prophecy

share your favorite messianic prophecy

The Olivet Discourse and fall of OC Jerusalem in ad70

Luke 19:44 And they shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee, and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee, instead which not Thou knew the time of Thy visitation".

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

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Isaiah 11 is a good one. God will judge and reconcile the nations, restore and renew all creation through Christ Jesus when He comes again and sets all things under His feet. World without end and kingdom forever.

-CryptoLutheran

Gen3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Oh death where is thy sting? Grave where is thy victory?

54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

INDEED, JESUS NOT ONLY BRINGS THE KINGDOM OF ISRAEL, HE *IS* ISRAEL!

This next verse is a great example of how the New Testament sometimes makes a profound theological point by allegorising an Old Testament prophecy.

It's from Matthew 2.
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”[c]

It's a fairly unremarkable prophecy until one looks it up and realises the verse isn't talking about Jesus at all, but about Israel.

It's from Hosea 11
1 “When Israel was a child, I loved him,
and out of Egypt I called my son.

In case you are tempted to say this is all about Jacob (Israel) when he was younger, consider this. The man Jacob was led by God into Egypt to save the line of Jacob from the famine. This usually told from the perspective of his son Joseph. But the point here is that God saved Israel the man by leading him into Egypt; God saved Israel the nation by leading them out of Egypt.

In case there is any doubt the next verse of Hosea speaks of them in the plural.

2 But the more they were called,
the more they went away from me.[a]

Anyway, Jesus lived as the perfect Israel! He lived as the perfect Kingdom of God here on earth: as perfect and sinless as Israel should have been. Jesus not only brings us into the Kingdom of God in his death and resurrection, Jesus lived as the perfect Kingdom of God in this world. He lived the flawless life of a perfect Jew, a perfect 'Son of God' (in this case referring to him as a human being), and ultimately the alternative to Adam and his rebellion. Jesus *was* the Kingdom of God here on earth, *created* the Kingdom of God in the church, and *brings* the Kingdom of God to its final consummation and safety in the New Heavens and New Earth.

Imagine the shape of an hourglass. There's that narrow neck in the middle that all the sand must pass through to get where it's going. Jesus is that neck. After the Kingdom of God is established in Israel, and Israel rebels, there seems to be this winnowing down of the faithful remnant. The Kingdom splits and the ten northern tribes are gone. Then they are exiled. Then Jerusalem is attacked. More of Judah is gone. Then eventually all of it is removed and carried off into exile. The prophets talk about a faithful remnant that continue to live for the Lord, but the number seems to be shrinking daily. Finally we come to Jesus and Simeon announces he has seen the salvation of the Lord! Jesus appoints the 12 disciples representing the new 12 tribes of Israel. Then it comes time for his execution.

The disciples flee.

Jesus, the perfect Israel that God rescued out of Egypt, hangs on a cross alone. After living as the perfect Kingdom of God, he dies for that Kingdom.

And rises again, fulfilling all our eschatological hopes for salvation from sin, redemption as a people of God, and guaranteeing the perfect future Kingdom's final consummation. The Holy Spirit is given to the church and Peter announces it is the last days in his theologically and eschatologically loaded sermon in Acts 2! Three thousand people are added to the church that day, and the hourglass starts to grow out again!

Never forget that Jesus lived as the perfect Israel, as this is a profoundly important theological key to understanding End Times theology!

A Jewish sage, who lived in the middle ages, gave the prediction that Messiah would return in a year with the number 73. He didn't give the first two digits though. So, since Messiah hasn't gotten here yet, that would leave the years 5773 (2012), 5873 (2112), 5973 (2212) or 6073 (2312) on the Hebrew calendar. Anything past 6000 is believed to be in the millenium.

dfw69 said:

Why 73?.....I believe before Jesus returns....a false Messiah comes and a false millennium...or a false peaceful state or era...not from God but self fulfillment. of man......this last a short space....then the Antichrist of revelation comes..he is the final false Messiah...he will overthrow the set order of the previous false Messiah.....when he is worship as God the great tribulation starts...he is conquered by the return of jesus

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When you read the symbolic sermon of Revelation as a literal timetable, anything goes. Why anything? You futurists all make me laugh.

The Lord will return one day, but we will not know when.

* Covenant Amils see John as writing to comfort Christians ALREADY going through terrible tribulations.
* Futurists just patronises them by insisting that whatever has gone before, it is nothing compared to what is coming.

* Covenant Amils see it as an incredibly PRACTICAL book for all Christians in all ages. It encourages them to not give into suffering and refuse to follow the worldly short-term gains of materialism and worldly power and success and sensuality.
* Futurists make it irrelevant to all but the last generation.

* Covenant Amils see Revelation as clear symbolic sermons that interpret themselves according to other symbols in the bible, and are applicable to all Christians in all situations.
* Futurists see it as utterly dependent on today's headlines, and therefore inaccessible to everyone before this generation.

* Covenant Amils use a consistent symbolic hermeneutic.
* Futurists use an inconsistent 'literal' hermeneutic which contradicts itself so frequently the system implodes. Does Jesus have 7 horns and 7 eyes or not? Is the book literal or not? Nothing futurists have said addresses the fundamental point that their literal hermeneutic is inconsistently applied.

* Covenant Amils are more likely to witness to the saving power of Jesus Christ
* Futurists are often more keen to 'witness' to the lunacy of their end-times schemes and try to win the unconverted not just to Jesus, but to their particular end-times-tables before the person is even saved! As this guy even proudly admitted! How ironic and sad that this Christian talked more about the AntiChrist than his Lord and Saviour, the true Christ!
http://www.christianforums.com/t7638964-7/#post60524172

eclipsenow said:

When you read the symbolic sermon of Revelation as a literal timetable, anything goes. Why anything? You futurists all make me laugh.

The Lord will return one day, but we will not know when.

* Covenant Amils see John as writing to comfort Christians ALREADY going through terrible tribulations.
* Futurists just patronises them by insisting that whatever has gone before, it is nothing compared to what is coming.

* Covenant Amils see it as an incredibly PRACTICAL book for all Christians in all ages. It encourages them to not give into suffering and refuse to follow the worldly short-term gains of materialism and worldly power and success and sensuality.
* Futurists make it irrelevant to all but the last generation.

* Covenant Amils see Revelation as clear symbolic sermons that interpret themselves according to other symbols in the bible, and are applicable to all Christians in all situations.
* Futurists see it as utterly dependent on today's headlines, and therefore inaccessible to everyone before this generation.

* Covenant Amils use a consistent symbolic hermeneutic.
* Futurists use an inconsistent 'literal' hermeneutic which contradicts itself so frequently the system implodes. Does Jesus have 7 horns and 7 eyes or not? Is the book literal or not? Nothing futurists have said addresses the fundamental point that their literal hermeneutic is inconsistently applied.

* Covenant Amils are more likely to witness to the saving power of Jesus Christ
* Futurists are often more keen to 'witness' to the lunacy of their end-times schemes and try to win the unconverted not just to Jesus, but to their particular end-times-tables before the person is even saved! As this guy even proudly admitted! How ironic and sad that this Christian talked more about the AntiChrist than his Lord and Saviour, the true Christ!
http://www.christianforums.com/t7638964-7/#post60524172

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Quoted just for emphasis.

dfw69 said:

The main issue for all men in all generations is to not follow or believe in none other Messiah other than Jesus......and has foretold what will take place before his actual return so no man would be decieve....

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I agree with everything you say except THE LAST FEW WORDS.

and has foretold what WOULD take place before the Romans destroyed the temple in AD70, and what WILL take place generally speaking as long as it is called 'today'.