Sexuality

[Catherineanne]

This thread is for anyone who feels distaste or disgust at the thought of gay people being intimate together.

How do you feel at the thought of your own parents being intimate together? Or the President and his wife? Or your best married friends? Perhaps your minister and his wife?

You don't want to think about it? Good!!

This is not something to do with gayness. It is something to do with sex not being a spectator sport, and to do with privacy, and with holiness. The Bible tells us not to uncover the nakedness of our fathers; I think this is an injunction on all of us to allow other people's privacy to remain private, and not to allow our thoughts to dwell on what they might or might not be doing, and how distasteful we regard it.

Personally, there is no couple on earth who I can imagine making love, without wanting to draw a veil over what they are doing, and allow what is a beautiful and holy act to remain private. Just as extreme grief is too holy to look upon, so is the ultimate expression of love.

A bit more of this kind of attitude, and a little less voyeuristic prurience, will go a long way, imho.

 

[dayhiker]

Hi Catherine,
I thought I'd say I only feel the way you do about guys being intimate. I don't have that feeling in the other situations you mention. I'm sure many would feel as you do. But there are also many that don't feel as you do.

dayhiker

 

[Jessica Lauren]

I'm gay and I don't want to see two gays having sex... or two straight people, etc.

But why that first sentence? Why the need to single out gays?

It's all inappropriate!

 

[dayhiker]

I'm gay and I don't want to see two gays having sex... or two straight people, etc.

But why that first sentence? Why the need to single out gays?

It's all inappropriate!

hi Jessica,
I thought it was inappropreate to observe others being intimate for a long time. Then I thought one time while reading Song of Solomn that it was inapropreate to observe others being intimate it would be inappropreate to read Song of Solomn in the Bible. On further mediation many of the poor don't have the space to get privacy and probably have intimacies in the darkness, but still others in the room would know. So to say it was inappropreate would be to say the poor of the world were often sinning just because they were poor can couldn't afford space to be alone.
Thus I don't believe that any more. I really think the space that our wealth affords us here in the US and much of the west distorts our view of these things. Many others just can't get the space we get here.
dayhiker

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Catherineanna,

This thread is for anyone who feels distaste or disgust at the thought of gay people being intimate together.

I thought as Christians we recognised we all fall short and are subject to sinful acts whether sexual or greed or whatever. If we are disgusted with what another particular group is doing we are kind of saying thank goodness we arent as sinful as them which Jesus teaches us is wrong ie Luke 18

Just as extreme grief is too holy to look upon, so is the ultimate expression of love.

I am not sure what you mean here, surely if in heaven there will be no more tears "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." -Rev 21:4, grief is not holiness? Also sex is not love let alone the ultimate expression, Jesus teaches there wont even be any marriage in heaven; love is sacrifical, there is no greater love than what Jesus has done for us. 1 John 4, John 15, for the forgiveness of sins, indeed some of which are not to be confused with love.

 

[Bianca87]

This thread is for anyone who feels distaste or disgust at the thought of gay people being intimate together

Simple solution here...don't think about it and don't look at gay porn

 

[Catherineanne]

I'm gay and I don't want to see two gays having sex... or two straight people, etc.

But why that first sentence? Why the need to single out gays?

It's all inappropriate!

Because this is a part of the forum for debates on homosexuality.

My point is only, if it disgusts you to think about anything at all, then that does not necessarily make it disgusting. It makes it something not to think about, perhaps because it is private and holy.

 

[Catherineanne]

Simple solution here...don't think about it and don't look at gay porn

Who said anything about gay porn?

Or any porn, come to that.

Whole other subject, whole other thread.

 

[Catherineanne]

I thought as Christians we recognised we all fall short and are subject to sinful acts whether sexual or greed or whatever. If we are disgusted with what another particular group is doing we are kind of saying thank goodness we arent as sinful as them which Jesus teaches us is wrong ie Luke 18

Exactly.

This is reminiscent of the Jewish saying, 'Woman is the loveliest and most beautiful of God's creations, but I thank you God for making me a man'. Which is the same as saying women are not the greatest creation after all.

grief is not holiness?

Have you ever looked at someone who is full of grief, and had to turn your face away out of respect? That turning away is a recognition that grief is indeed too holy to look upon.

Also sex is not love let alone the ultimate expression.

Sex is not love, but sexual union is the ultimate expression of human love, with the power to unite two people so that they become one in the eyes of God.

Where such sexual expression contains God's love, then God himself is present, and this is a holy event, whoever the parties are, and whatever sex they are. This is not always the case, but where it is the case, then that space is holy ground.

And this too is too holy to look upon, and we should always avert our eyes, imho.

 

[Catherineanne]

Thus I don't believe that any more. I really think the space that our wealth affords us here in the US and much of the west distorts our view of these things. Many others just can't get the space we get here.
dayhiker

This is right. But this thread is particularly aimed at those on this forum who continually comment about how distasteful the imagery of gay sex is to them, and go into detail about what they see in their minds. Some of the posts I have read have contained details which I frankly do not want to know anything about.

What I am trying to say is, if you are repelled, stop thinking about it, and stop writing about it. Such repellance is nothing to do with the act itself, and far more to do with your own self.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]This is right. But this thread is particularly aimed at those on this forum who continually comment about how distasteful the imagery of gay sex is to them, and go into detail about what they see in their minds. Some of the posts I have read have contained details which I frankly do not want to know anything about.

What I am trying to say is, if you are repelled, stop thinking about it, and stop writing about it. Such repellance is nothing to do with the act itself, and far more to do with your own self.[/SIZE]

Why don't you take your own advice? If someone starts talking about something that is repugnant to you, click on another thread.

Kinda reminds me of an old joke. A widow called the police. When they arrived she said her male neighbor always took showers with his window open and she could see everything. The police looked out her window and said, "You can't even see his bathroom window from here." She said,"Yes you can. Stand on this chair and lean way out to the left."

The moral? If you don't want to see your neighbor's everything, when he takes a shower, don't stand on the chair and lean way out to the left

 

[Chie]

Why don't you take your own advice? If someone starts talking about something that is repugnant to you, click on another thread.

Kinda reminds me of an old joke. A widow called the police. When they arrived she said her male neighbor always took showers with his window open and she could see everything. The police looked out her window and said, "You can't even see his bathroom window from here." She said,"Yes you can. Stand on this chair and lean way out to the left."

lolol