Abraham's heart?
Abraham didn't have the covenant mediated by Moses, so now you have departed from your own church's teachings.
I have done that in the past. It was Moses who testified that Abraham didn't receive the covenant he did, along with everyone prior to his own generation.
It is incumbent on you to document a covenant 430 years before it existed.
David wasn't a part of the New Covenant, yet God's law was within HIS heart.
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.
Did it take the New Covenant for God's will (His law) to be in the heart? No.
Abraham wasn't in any covenant with God when God
gave the promised covenant to him. In fact, the promised covenant was the result of obedience and faith.
Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments (mitsvah), my statutes, and my laws (towrah).
BECAUSE ('eqeb) means consequence, gain,
reward.
You can't sit there and portray a picture that God's will (His law) wasn't around before the covenant on Sinai. It just simply is not true.
God sanctified the seventh day at CREATION.
It didn't just pop up in Exodus 16, Victor.
It was not okay for Cain to murder Abel.
EIGHT people were spared from the flood. What were people guilty of if God didn't have any laws?
Sodom and Gomorrah had grievous
sins.
Did God sanctify the seventh day before ANY covenants existed? Of course He did.
Not only that, but the promised covenant with Abraham INCLUDED the children of Isaac and Jacob (Israel).
During captivity the children of Israel (Jacob) did not obey God's law, and even when God tried to make them aware of His will, they were rebellious. (Exodus 16).
Exd 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my
law, or no.
That was in regards to the Sabbath. God already called it His law then, and that was before He wrote it on stone and commanded the covenant from Sinai.
There are two sets of laws and you just never seem to consider that.
One set was added BECAUSE OF transgression.
VictorC said:
But, your theology is akin to applying laws regarding exhaust emissions to the Roman Empire, because it is still called by the same term of "law". As I mentioned before, you are still using the wrong legal term to apply to the covenant given at Sinai.
And I am telling you that the law existed before ANY covenant and that God's will for His people hasn't changed...the
consequences for disobeying His will has changed.
VictorC said:
I'm a Gentile, as I have mentioned more than once. I never received 9 "commandments", ten "commandments", nor 613 "commandments".
How about the Big Two....are those to your liking at all as a Gentile?
VictorC said:
You haven't explained how I managed to become reconciled to God in the face of a covenant you assert is still binding.
But, since you "keep" 9 "commandments", how do you explain this practice you're engaged in:
Many of us have noticed that those who claim they abide by the ten commandments have the hardest time with this one:
Exodus 20:16
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
You have no trouble violating this one, while claiming that you "keep" the other nine.
Who is several of us? Patti's church of CARM?
The Pharisees called, they'd like for you two to give them their job back.
If I've said anything about either one of you that isn't TRUE, please let me know what it was, and I will get down on my knees and beg your forgiveness.
It's not like I don't know you lurk in our forum, Victor.
VictorC said:
VictorC said:
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Galatians 5:3-4
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
I'm off the hook...whew. I've never been circumcised.
Was cirumcision written on stone?
VictorC said:
VictorC said:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
The covenant is inseparable, and circumcision was imported from Abraham (Genesis 17:10) into Moses (Leviticus 12:1-3), spoken directly by God.
Offend in one point of Israel's "one law" and you have offended all of it.
Who was murder imported from?
One law eh? Which laws were added BECAUSE OF sin?
VictorC said:
The disposition:
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
You leave yourself guilty before God, Lanie.
You have your laws mixed up Victor and it's as simple as that.
If I were to start sacrificing animals and not accept the atonement through CHRIST'S blood, then you betcha, I'd be guilty, guilty, guilty.
(It's LAINIE by the way)
VictorC said:
Do you have anything else of substance you would like to add? Other than SDB missives, that were written 3000 years too late to change the testimony Moses left us?
Depends, do you still say "the peculiar teaching" of the law being around before it was written on stone was exclusive to Ellen White?
You're dead wrong if you do....but the whole world can see that already whether you
admit it or not.