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I fully understand. Trying to make myself clear to you is worthless.I have no idea what part of my so called argument you're referring to as to that which would pertain to the religious but not Christians.
No problem. None! Yes I fully understand exactly what I said, but you don't.May I ask which of the Commandments besides the Sabbath do you think we no longer are to keep? Think carefully before you answer.
You talk about religious people and not Christians.
bugkiller
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. JN 5????? I am not sure what you mean? I repeat my position. All the Commandments are summed up in what Jesus said. We still are to uphold the ten Commandments as to what sin is, not for Salvation, but they remain as every ones responsibility, non Christians will be judged by the Ten Commandments, and of course no one can keep them, thus rejecting Christ and not keeping the LAW hell is their reward. Everyone has a choice, with the knowledge they have.
Oh?Reading chapter 5 of John a little more might help your understanding in this thread.
Especially verses 39-47.
Naw. all you did was post a reference condemning another, essentially making a false accusation. Nothing new its done here all the time as is the habit of a certain group of people.Bugkiller....SWAT
I sincerely do not know how you came the the conclusion that you did that we will keep the 10. Jesus never demanded or even mentioned that we observe the Sabbath. Jesus as I wrote in my last post ask us to observe the command he presented to us "34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." He never asked us to keep the laws He kept. He even said:We are not under the Law. But we are under the Commands of Jesus Christ, which if you keep, you fulfill all of the Tem Commandments.
No, there is no such command in the new covenant. Our command is to love one another as Jesus loves us. Think about the moral aspects of His command to us. Yes, It is overwhelming and without the Holy spirit as our guide it would be virtually impossible.we are under Grace, but that does not mean God has no expectations that you will not obey the ten Commandments, with you making Sunday a day of rest. Do you?
Maybe you should go back and read my post again. I certainly did not "skirt the issue". The 10 commandments are the tip of the iceberg. There are so many more moral issues that Christians should and have to do to keep.As I said what commandment is one besides the Saturday Sabbath do you think we should not do? You seem to be skirting the issue.
Sin for Christians is not loving God with all your heart and not loving our fellow man as Jesus loves us. Sin is not about keeping days or old covenant laws that have no bearing on Christians. Christianity is all about love.Yes we are under Grace, but if we do not show the LAW as Gods standard for what sin is, then do we just say believe Jesus and heaven is yours?
The law according to Paul in 2Cor3:7-11 was temporary. It ended at the Cross when the new covenant took the laws place. Paul further states that instead of the law, which was the guide for Israel, Our guide is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So, it is the Holy Spirit that makes us aware that we are sinners.I am not sure if we disagree or agree at this point. However let me restate my position. The Law is what makes us aware that we are sinners.
Again, the Holy Spirit is our "marker" and He is not concerned with observing days, He is concerned with how we treat our fellow man. Sin is transgression of believing in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to loving one another as he commanded us. (taken from 1jn3 19-24)Unless we have the law to use as a marker of what sin is it might be up to ones choice as to what is or is not sin.
I certainly agree.Our Salvation comes by Jesus being perfect, being the perfect Blood Sacrifice, now Jesus is the Priest between man and the Father. We confess our sins to Jesus 1 John 1:9. We are no longer to offer blood sacrifice of goats and sheep and the like for our sins. Now Salvation comes only by God Choosing us under grace. Romans 9.
I certainly disagree after the "but". Why do you disregard Paul's writings?We are not under law, but in keeping the Commands of Jesus at the same time keep all of the Commandments. None the less the 10 Commandments still are our guide for what is sin. Do you understand better my position now? Please answer where you disagree if you do.
????? I am not sure what you mean? I repeat my position. All the Commandments are summed up in what Jesus said. We still are to uphold the ten Commandments as to what sin is, not for Salvation, but they remain as every ones responsibility, non Christians will be judged by the Ten Commandments, and of course no one can keep them, thus rejecting Christ and not keeping the LAW hell is their reward. Everyone has a choice, with the knowledge they have.
1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" both in OT and also by NT standards
So then in Rom 6 Paul speaks about the obligation not to SIN - even though not "under the law" -- not under the condemnation of the LAW.
Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered
1 john 2:1 "these things I write to you that you sin NOT"
The Covenant at Sinai with Israel included
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
And 40 years later Moses reminds them --
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
Christ continues to affirm them in Matt 22 , pre-cross - the Law of Moses upheld.
So then why is Paul associating Sinai with the old covenant in Gal 4?
Because the ceremonial law is no longer in effect.
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" as compared to the ceremonial laws such as circumcision - as we see in this example from 1Cor 7:19
notice how Christ upholds what "Moses said" in Mark 7 calling it "The WORD of GOD"
Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"
"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.
No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints even in the NT as we see here
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Heb 8:6-10 Christ's New Covenant and His TEN Commandments at Sinai
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,
“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a New Covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.
Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered
"New Covenant" only made with the "house of Israel" according to Heb 8:6-10. AND so it is only for the saints, the saved of Romans 2.
And in that Covenant - "10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts."
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