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Seventh Day Adventism's Sabbath Obsession Founded On Massive Fraud

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It is a well-established fact that Ellen White’s “The Great Controversy" was massively plagiarized, i.e. “stolen,” from "The History of Protestantism" by James A. Wylie. White stole not only entire paragraphs pages and chapters from Wylie, but she claimed to be the author of the writings. She also stole whole illustrations out of Wylie’s books and attributed them in The Great Controversy under an Adventist publishing company’s name, instead of the original writer's names!!! The outright theft of much of The Great Controversy from Wylie is beyond dispute.

Ellen G. White found guilty of plagiarism (copying)


The massive literary and artistic theft that took place is certainly disturbing and alarming and completely refutes White’s calculated and deceptive statement that she saw the material in “visions.” She simply repeatedly lied about the source of the material. She never had any of the visions that she claimed: It is proven that she simply stole the vast, overwhelming majority of "her" book from Wylie.

Yet that is far from being the most egregious fraud in the Massively-fraudulent "The Great Controversy". The complete absence of the Eastern Orthodox Church and its staunch opposition to the Roman Papacy is a more egregious fraud that has enslaved and deceived generations of Adventists. No Adventist literature has ever mentioned, let alone discussed, let alone refuted the adamant insistence of Eastern Orthodoxy that it celebrated the Resurrection both on Sunday and on the First year birthday (“Easter”) in the first year of Christianity. That assertion stands completely unmentioned and uncontested in The Great Controversy. For a book that purports to be a history of Christianity, this is extremely alarming and disturbing, especially in light of the massive proven literary and artistic theft from Wylie:

"As Robert D. Brinsmead so clearly illustrated in his paper, "Sabbatarianism Re-examined" (1981), by the 1960's a much clearer picture of the Early Church had emerged from continuing scholarly research, and this clearer portrait spelled disaster for Sabbatarians. Church historians found strong evidence that the Gentile churches probably never kept the Sabbath and that the Jewish churches that did cling to Sabbath-keeping slid very quickly into fatal heresies."
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"The Eastern Orthodox churches never kept the Sabbath. For the first 3-4 centuries after the death of St. Paul the Eastern Church greatly eclipsed the Western Church. In fact the Church at Rome was a missionary outreach established by the Eastern Church."
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"An understanding of the overshadowing supremacy of the Eastern Orthodox Churches during the first few centuries after the death of St. Paul is essential to understanding the immensity of the problem these facts pose to Sabbatarians. It is no wonder that Sabbatarian literature never mentions this subject."

Sabbatatrians Refuted and Sabbath keepers Exposed: 2011 AD

It gets even worse. Leaving the claims of the Eastern Orthodox Church unmentioned and undisputed is horrific in light of The Great Controversy’s central thesis that the Pope unilaterally “changed Saturday to Sunday.” That in itself is yet another horrendous, deliberate falsehood. The willfulness of this deceit can only be comprehended by looking at Wylie’s book itself, which White clearly had and massively stole from. Wylie did not shrink from describing Eastern Orthodoxy’s staunch opposition to the growing power of the Papacy. White had to have seen the following in Wyle’s book as she was stealing from it, but never addressed it in The Great Controversy. Because she did not, she committed most likely the most horrific and stomach-churning fraud of them all: Willfully and deliberately omitting any mention of Eastern Orthodoxy when it is clear that she knew about Wylie’s description of the growing rupture between the Eastern Church and the Roman Papacy. Here are some excerpts from Wylie that demonstrates that Seventh Day Adventism is founded on extraordinarily egregious frauds on several different levels:

“They now began to speak with an authoritative voice, and to demand obedience from all the Churches. Of this the dispute between the Eastern and Western Churches respecting Easter is an instance in point. The Eastern Church, following the Jews, kept the feast on the 14th day of the month Nisan [6] — the day of the Jewish Passover. The Churches of the West, and especially that of Rome, kept Easter on the Sabbath following the 14th day of Nisan. Victor, Bishop of Rome, resolved to put an end to the controversy, and accordingly, sustaining himself sole judge in this weighty point, he commanded all the Churches to observe the feast on the same day with himself. The Churches of the East, not aware that the Bishop of Rome had authority to command their obedience in this or in any other matter, kept Easter as before; and for this flagrant contempt, as Victor accounted it, of his legitimate authority, he excommunicated them. They refused to obey a human ordinance, and they were shut out from the kingdom of the Gospel. This was the first peal of those thunders which were in after times to roll so often and so terribly from the Seven Hills…….
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“Manifestly the 300 Fathers who assembled (A.D. 325) at Nicaea knew nothing of it, for in their sixth and seventh canons they expressly recognize the authority of the Churches of Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and others, each within its own boundaries, even as Rome had jurisdiction within its limits; and enact that the jurisdiction and privileges of these Churches shall be retained…….”
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“The Latin race, moreover, retained the practical habits for which it had so long been renowned; and while the Easterns, giving way to their speculative genius, were expending their energies in controversy, the Western Church was steadily pursuing her onward path, and skillfully availing herself of everything that could tend to enhance her influence and extend her jurisdiction.

From: The History of Protestantism By James A. Wylie.

The History of Protestantism – Volume First – Book First – Progress From the First to the Fourteenth Century | doctrine.org 1

To recap,

- White stole most of the Great Controversy from Wylie.

- She devised a cunningly false false fairy tale that the Roman Papacy had unilaterally changed the worship dates from Saturday to Sunday. That has been thoroughly debunked by Seventh Day Adventism's only premier Sabbath Scholar, Dr. Samuele Bacchiochi. .

- White never once mentions Eastern Orthodoxy ‘s undisputed claim that First Year Christianity celebrated the Resurrection on both Sundays and at Easter. Neither does Bacchiochi in his voluminous writings.

- White never once mentions the massive writings of First and Second Christian Fathers who clearly establish that First and Second History Christians were universally worshiping on Sunday, at least 200 years before a Roman Pope even existed. By the time of the later revisions of The Great Controversy,the Church had been blasted and responded to, Dudley Canright's Seventh Day Adventism Renouncedand was very well aware of the writings of the early Christian Fathers, and the clear statements evidencing Sunday commemoration of the Resurrection in the First Century. NOT ONE WAS MENTIONED IN THE GREAT CONTROVERSY, EVEN THOUGH ALL OF THE SDA CHURCH LEADERSHIP KNEW THOSE EARLY WRITERS DEMOLISHED THE ARGUMENT THAT THE POPE CHANGED THE DATE IN THE 300S.

-White never mentions the writings of First and Second Century Church Fathers and their relentless battle against the early heresy of the Ebionites, which was and is identical to Adventism in both its Sabbath Keeping and Vegetarianism as the path to Salvation.

- And finally, White deliberately withheld Wylie’s description of the growing fracture between Eastern Orthodoxy and the Papacy, even though she plagiarized the vast majority of The Great Controversy from Wylie. She obviously did all of this to deceive Adventists into keeping the Sabbath as part of their paranoid “Remnant Church” fraud.

The massive fraud of the Great Controversy runs at least four or five levels deep. It is the foundational book of Seventh Day Adventism, and spells out its entire paranoid and deceitful ideology of itself as the Remnant Church in opposition to the "monolithic" Papacy’s Sunday worship "heresy." By deliberately and deceitfully withholding any mention of Eastern Orthodoxy’s adamant insistence of Christianity’s first year Sunday worship and Easter Celebration, even with it staring her right in the face in the book she was stealing from – White founded a Church that is based on massive, proven and grotesque falsehoods.
 
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Well, I certainly do think that the Adventist church definitely has problems. But are you trying to say that because White stole the teachings from the Eastern-Orthodox and called it Adventism is the only reason that Seventh-Day Adventism is a church based on lies and false doctrine? I think that if the doctrines of Eastern-Orthodoxy were then transferred to Adventism, and Adventism is wrong, then wouldn't that mean that Eastern-Orthodox doctrine is wrong?

Also, I think the Adventists have something right: There is nowhere in the Bible that says that Christ transferred the worship day to Sunday. That was Constantine's fault, and the rest of the Christian society decided they liked it.
 
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Also, I think the Adventists have something right: There is nowhere in the Bible that says that Christ transferred the worship day to Sunday. That was Constantine's fault, and the rest of the Christian society decided they liked it.

That is utterly false. You have obviously never even looked at the writings of the Church Fathers in the First and Second Centuries. They are brutally-opposed to Christian Sabbath Keeping and unanimously declared it to be an anti-Christian heresy. That was at least 200 years before Constantine was a gleam in his father's eye.

You are simply parroting an egregious falsehood that has been completely rejected by Seventh Day Adventism's own Sabbath Scholar, Samuele Bacchiochi. He wrote two books on the Sabbath that established that Christian Sunday keeping was universal no later than 135 AD (200 years before Constantine):

"Samuele Bacchiocchi, the Seventh-day Adventist's top scholar wrote in an E-mail message to the "Free Catholic Mailing List" catholic@american.edu on 8 Feb 1997 and said: "I differ from Ellen White, for example, on the origin of Sunday. She teaches that in the first centuries all Christians observed the Sabbath and it was largely through the efforts of Constantine that Sundaykeeping was adopted by many Christians in the fourth century. My research shows otherwise. If you read my essay HOW DID SUNDAYKEEPING BEGIN? which summarizes my dissertation, you will notice that I place the origin of Sundaykeeping by the time of the Emperor Hadrian, in A. D. 135."
http://www.bible.ca/7-Bacchiocchi.htm

By your reciting the discredited Constantine fairy tale that is outlined in The Great Controversy,, you prove that you are ignorant of the research that has been done by Adventism's own Sabbath Specialist.

Ellen White simply lied about Constantine's role in this history. Constantine merely codified what had been established practice for over 200 years. Neither White nor Bacchiochi have ever attempted to refute Eastern Orthodoxy's claim of First year Resurrection celebration on both Sunday and Easter. That is NOT how you "do" history!

Christ didn't have to "transfer the worship day to Sunday." His resurrection was so massive in scale and in impact that it would have been unthinkable for Christians not to have memorialized this central event in all of human history by celebrating it on the day of the week it occurred. The Apostles "transferred the day to Sunday," and instructed the First Year Christians to do likewise.

Adventists cannot refute this by leaving such claims completely unmentioned in their main history of Christianity!!! Simply put, the Adventist fixation on the Sabbath as their main doctrine has only one purpose: To denigrate the Resurrection:

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."

Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist

This has never been mentioned, let alone addressed, let alone refuted in ANY Adventist Literature. In fact, White clearly made massive and energetic efforts to withhold evidence of First Year Christians celebrating the Resurrection on both Sunday and Easter.
 
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The massive literary and artistic theft that took place is certainly disturbing and alarming and completely refutes White’s calculated and deceptive statement that she saw the material in “visions.” She simply repeatedly lied about the source of the material. She never had any of the visions that she claimed: It is proven that she simply stole the vast, overwhelming majority of "her" book from Wylie.
In the interest of accuracy, much of the material that was added to the 1888 edition of The Great Controversy was from suspect sources. However, the original draft of The Great Controversy was published in 1858 and still appears in the White Estate archives as {Spirtual Gifts volume 1}. The theme that was later expanded for general consumption outside the Little Flock predates Wylie's History of Protestantism that appeared in 1876.

And the 1858 draft is peppered with Ellen's claims of "I saw" things that can't be reconciled with Scripture. You can download this original draft of the Great Con from earlySDA's site in either RTF or PDF formats.

We had a discussion on The Great Controversy a year ago on MoreCoffee's thread The great controversy is only a spin on a few isolated passages. That thread was... interesting.
 
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In the interest of accuracy, much of the material that was added to the 1888 edition of The Great Controversy was from suspect sources. However, the original draft of The Great Controversy was published in 1858 and still appears in the White Estate archives as {Spirtual Gifts volume 1}. The theme that was later expanded for general consumption outside the Little Flock predates Wylie's History of Protestantism that appeared in 1876.

And the 1858 draft is peppered with Ellen's claims of "I saw" things that can't be reconciled with Scripture. You can download this original draft of the Great Con from earlySDA's site in either RTF or PDF formats.

We had a discussion on The Great Controversy a year ago on MoreCoffee's thread The great controversy is only a spin on a few isolated passages. That thread was... interesting.

There is no doubt that she had Wylie's book when she massively stole artistic work and writing for the 1888 revision. Wylie wrote at length about the split between Eastern Orthodoxy and Rome. There is NO mention of Wylie's treatment of the issue. The Great Controversy's central theme is the monolithic control of Christianity by the Roman Papacy. That could not be more false and fraudulent.

It is simply unforgivable, and represents a clear intentional deception. She had source material that plainly contradicted the central theme of her book. Reputable Historians at the very least note evidence that conflicts with their theory, and address it and refute it or deal with it in some reputable manner.

White did nothing that a reputable historian would have done with the evidence that she had in front of her.
 
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Ok so then why the heck is "Keep the Sabbath Day holy" still one of the Ten Commandments? God created the world on the 7th day--Saturday. God said that the 7th day was a day of rest. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that Jesus said to the disciples "Disregard what My Father and I said in the beginning of time. I want you to worship on Sunday now." Changing the Sabbath is kind of a huge deal. SO I would think God would have included something like that in the Bible if it were so,so that no man could argue about what day His day is supposed to be. Yet there is nothing that says in the Bible said "CHANGE THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY!!!" Also, had Jesus said to change what God had instituted in th very beginning would be to go back on His Word, to rewrite Scripture. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away."(Matt. 24:35) To change His commandment would be to change the Word. That doesn't sound like God at all to me.

Furthermore, there are indications that the apostles still went to the synagogue after the Resurrection:

Acts 13:13-14
Paul and his companions ... On the Sabbath they went to the synagogue for the services.

Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went a little way outside the city to a riverbank, where we thought people would be meeting for prayer ...

And, isn't Easter supposed to be the date to memorialize the Resurrection?
 
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Ok so then why the heck is "Keep the Sabbath Day holy" still one of the Ten Commandments? God created the world on the 7th day--Saturday. God said that the 7th day was a day of rest. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that Jesus said to the disciples "Disregard what My Father and I said in the beginning of time. I want you to worship on Sunday now." Changing the Sabbath is kind of a huge deal. SO I would think God would have included something like that in the Bible if it were so,so that no man could argue about what day His day is supposed to be. Yet there is nothing that says in the Bible said "CHANGE THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY!!!" Also, had Jesus said to change what God had instituted in th very beginning would be to go back on His Word, to rewrite Scripture. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away."(Matt. 24:35) To change His commandment would be to change the Word. That doesn't sound like God at all to me.

Furthermore, there are indications that the apostles still went to the synagogue after the Resurrection:

Acts 13:13-14
Paul and his companions ... On the Sabbath they went to the synagogue for the services.

Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went a little way outside the city to a riverbank, where we thought people would be meeting for prayer ...

And, isn't Easter supposed to be the date to memorialize the Resurrection?

Please address the issues outline in the OP. This is not a place for Sabbath Spam that is repeated ad nauseum in many different threads and ignores the history of the first 200 years of Christianity. Ellen White committed a deliberate, calculated and grotesque historical fraud. She knew that Adventists would look nowhere else to double check what she claimed was the History of Christianity. Address THAT particular issue, or take your Sabbath Spam elsewhere.
 
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Please address the issues outline in the OP. This is not a place for Sabbath Spam that is repeated ad nauseum in many different threads. Ellen White committed a grotesque historical fraud. Address this particular issue, or take your Sabbath Spam elsewhere.

I agree that White was a big phony. But I disagree that her trying to get other people to realize the Sabbath was still Saturday wasn't.

Ok. Thank you and goodbye
 
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I agree that White was a big phony. But I disagree that her trying to get other people to realize the Sabbath was still Saturday wasn't.

Ok. Thank you and goodbye

Then spell out the reasons why you "agree that White was a big phony." I would appreciate it, given that is clearly the subject of this thread.
 
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She mutilates the doctrine of salvation. Her ideas concerning heaven and hell completely contradict the Bible. None of her prophecies seem to align themselves with Scripture, and it is extremely unlikely that she did even have visions on the exact same day that two other people had "visions," all claimed that their "visions" were from God and yet each of their prophecies were different. To think that God gave 3 different people different visions on basically the same thing is bogus.
 
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Ok so then why the heck is "Keep the Sabbath Day holy" still one of the Ten Commandments? God created the world on the 7th day--Saturday. God said that the 7th day was a day of rest. I don't see anywhere in the Bible that Jesus said to the disciples "Disregard what My Father and I said in the beginning of time. I want you to worship on Sunday now." Changing the Sabbath is kind of a huge deal. SO I would think God would have included something like that in the Bible if it were so,so that no man could argue about what day His day is supposed to be. Yet there is nothing that says in the Bible said "CHANGE THE SABBATH TO SUNDAY!!!" Also, had Jesus said to change what God had instituted in th very beginning would be to go back on His Word, to rewrite Scripture. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall not pass away."(Matt. 24:35) To change His commandment would be to change the Word. That doesn't sound like God at all to me.

Furthermore, there are indications that the apostles still went to the synagogue after the Resurrection:

Acts 13:13-14
Paul and his companions ... On the Sabbath they went to the synagogue for the services.

Acts 16:13
On the Sabbath we went a little way outside the city to a riverbank, where we thought people would be meeting for prayer ...

And, isn't Easter supposed to be the date to memorialize the Resurrection?
I truly wonder at your knowledge base for a 15 YO. Are you sure you're not celebrating your 15th anniversary of your 15th birthday?
 
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She mutilates the doctrine of salvation. Her ideas concerning heaven and hell completely contradict the Bible. None of her prophecies seem to align themselves with Scripture, and it is extremely unlikely that she did even have visions on the exact same day that two other people had "visions," all claimed that their "visions" were from God and yet each of their prophecies were different. To think that God gave 3 different people different visions on basically the same thing is bogus.

Well then obviously, when you are discussing your ideas on Sabbath Keeping, you have plainly rejected the idea that it is necessary to Salvation. Ellen White clearly spelled out in The Great Controversy, using much historical deception and literary theft, that Sabbath worship was the key to salvation. If that is the case, then I have no argument with you. Christians are free to keep any day, or no day. I only condemn it when it is made into something that is essential to Salvation. That is utterly dishonest to the history of the Christian Church, which NEVER taught that. Adventists have made Sabbath Keeping MANY magnitudes more important than the Resurrection, which is the CENTRAL doctrine of Christianity.
 
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Well then obviously, when you are discussing your ideas on Sabbath Keeping, you have plainly rejected the idea that it is necessary to Salvation. Ellen White clearly spelled out in The Great Controversy, using much historical deception and literary theft, that Sabbath worship was the key to salvation. If that is the case, then I have no argument with you. Christians are free to keep any day, or no day. I only condemn it when it is made into something that is essential to Salvation. That is utterly dishonest to the history of the Christian Church, which NEVER taught that. Adventists have made Sabbath Keeping MANY magnitudes more important than the Resurrection, which is the CENTRAL doctrine of Christianity.

Well, no, I don't believe that keeping the Sabbath Day has anything to do with salvation.To believe such nonsense is to drink the Kool-aide at Jonesville!!! But I do believe that she mixed truth with a great deal of error, a deadly combination.
 
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Well, no, I don't believe that keeping the Sabbath Day has anything to do with salvation.To believe such nonsense is to drink the Kool-aide at Jonesville!!! But I do believe that she mixed truth with a great deal of error, a deadly combination.

Again, I want to emphasize that if Adventism taught your view of Sabbath Keeping, I can't think of anyone that would be opposed to it. What you have written clearly indicates that you think for yourself, and do not buy into EGW's massive deception. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping the Sabbath. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping Sunday. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping Tuesday......It's when people blow it wildly out of proportion and ignore the Resurrection, like Adventists do, that it becomes a huge problem.

Simply put, Sabbath Keeping is FAR more important to Adventists than the Resurrection.
 
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Again, I want to emphasize that if Adventism taught your view of Sabbath Keeping, I can't think of anyone that would be opposed to it. What you have written clearly indicates that you think for yourself, and do not buy into EGW's massive deception. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping the Sabbath. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping Sunday. There is nothing wrong with Christians keeping Tuesday......It's when people blow it wildly out of proportion and ignore the Resurrection, like Adventists do, that it becomes a huge problem.

Agreed!! She took a single doctrine and took it way, way ,waaaayyy, over the edge!!! It's just like what the Pharisees did to the Sabbath and other doctrines!!!!
 
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Agreed!! She took a single doctrine and took it way, way ,waaaayyy, over the edge!!! It's just like what the Pharisees did to the Sabbath and other doctrines!!!!

And the ONLY single doctrine that any Christian should blow out of proportion (which really, they cannot do as it would be impossible) is the Resurrection.

Simply put, Christians began celebrating the Resurrection on Sundays and Easter the first year after Jesus rose from the Dead. History is crystal clear on that. But it is fine if someone does not want to do that. What is wrong is negating or ignoring the Resurrection in aid of a Sabbath fetish. Adventists hype the Sabbath because they have severely negated the impact of the Resurrection. MANY of their doctrines negate the Resurrection. It is a consistent them of theirs.
 
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And the ONLY single doctrine that any Christian should blow out of proportion (which really, they cannot do as it would be impossible) is the Resurrection.

Simply put, Christians began celebrating the Resurrection on Sundays and Easter the first year after Jesus rose from the Dead. History is crystal clear on that. But it is fine if someone does not want to do that. What is wrong is negating or ignoring the Resurrection in aid of a Sabbath fetish.

Amen!!
 
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