Seven Heads of the Beast

[ross3421]

The seven heads of the Beast represent all those which did not overcome and did not hear and received it's Mark i.e the false church.

The seven golden candlesticks represent all those which overcame and did hear and has received the Mark of God i.e the true church.

Each of these bodies has a "head" ; Satan is head of the false church, Christ is head of the true church.

Each head has been wounded unto death..........


Mark.

 

[Buzz_Lightyear]

Too vague. For example, how can seven heads represent a church? What is your thinking behind this?

 

[Kingdom_Come]

Are you saying that people who receive the mark of the beast will be allowed to enter into the millennium?

 

[ross3421]

Are you saying that people who receive the mark of the beast will be allowed to enter into the millennium?

I do not believe in the millennium and let me explain why it is such a destructive teaching............

Clearly there is a new heaven and new earth upon Christ's return however this teaching of the millennium twists this to say it does not occur until 1000 or so years later. Satan can do many tricks but one he cannot is to create a new heaven and earth thus for him to appear without contradiction he has to have the masses not to be expecting these changes thus this heretical teaching abounds.

If all understood that there was in fact a new heaven and earth upon the return of a Messiah then that one who returns without would be a known imitation.

So to answer your question, the folks above will believe they are in the Kingdom of God and a so-called millennium.

 

[Kingdom_Come]

So to answer your question, the folks above will believe they are in the Kingdom of God and a so-called millennium.

Let me explain why I asked the question. You said the 7 heads of the beast are representative of those who receive the mark of the beast. We are told in Revelation that those who worship the beast and receive his mark will drink of the wine of the wrath of God and will be cast into the lake of fire. Now we know that John’s 7 headed beast is the coming together of the 4 beasts of Daniel which collectively comprise the 7 heads. We also know that from this fourth and final beast kingdom to rise in the earth, the one with the 10 horns as described by Daniel, the little horn will come. We are told he will speak great things against The Most High and will wear out the saints of The Most High. We are also told that his end comes and dominion is given to The Son of Man. What is really of interest here is what Daniel describes happening to the rest of the beasts.



Remember there are 4 and while the little horn and his armies are destroyed and he is delivered into the lake of fire the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken from them but their lives are prolonged. In other words they are not destroyed but they lose their power and dominion in the earth. Again these are the same beasts which John is speaking about. They comprise his “one” 7 headed beast as described in Revelation 13 (compare to Daniel 7). So I ask, are you saying that people who received the mark of the beast (which you claim these heads of the beasts represent) are going to be allowed into the millennium (whatever you choose to believe that means)? It’s even worse if you do not believe in a literal millennium because this would be akin to saying they will inherit the new heavens and the new earth which would be contrary to the fate Scripture says awaits them. I personally do believe the Scripture when it says there will be a millennium in which Satan is bound and life is prolonged (consider Isaiah 65).

 

[exodus19]

not only i but you have been given this understanding before that 7 is God's number or is representative of being in His hands, or being completeness, or full, or satisfied and again this too according to God.

4 represents the 4 corners of the world or the entire world.

you are born into the sea, or lake of fire, this is what you are repeating in the book of revelation that is the same as the OT. when you are cast out of Jerusalem this orginal expression from the early books, and Moses, you are cast out of the walled village or the protective custody of lving with God or under His rule and order.
to be 'cast out' into the sea of waters or lake of fire was to cast amongst cultures of idolatry.
Now you have varying cultures mentioned throughout the OT, some wealthier than others , but yet still under evil rule or liberal kings who permitted sexual abuse and exploits, hence "sodom(y) and Gamorrah, where of the lake of fire. cultures of lust wherein the heads are dragons, snakes, foxes, _____ie beasts, exactly they were considered 'noisesome beasts' evil rules that were and liberal gove's promoting freedom of sex and liberites to enjoy flesh eating camp fires and get all drunk and enjoy fornications and sodomy parties.
get the picture?????????????????

this is repeated throughout as the lakes of fire or cultures of sin life or idolatries, heathens and the jews were privy and still are to this understanding. The see the world as cultures of heathens and are adept at exploiting the worldly heathens for their sin ways by controlling the media's and many gove's and their liberal ways from underneath by using varying kind of lobbying techniques and God is ****ed with them.
the same today as was thousands of years ago.
now you have wise butts who also read into the OT the same thing and these are what your gove boys are calling religious fanatics, the 'bin boys' who see the jews as allies using american ammo and armie strengh and their boys to be their pawns in the vicious game of control hence they use the OT to show their own that the heads of the liberal western cultures are essential the devil or satan who is spoken about in the Bible.
get the pictutre???????????????
But you don't get this info or insight b/c the media is controlled by the jews and allied american who monitor what is being said and you live under the banner or cult of america, which according to the OT is another aggressive progressive heathenistic culture comparitively speaking much like Babylon, with financial bases in high towers and as scripture has the are to be taken down by other evil forces, who portend to be the good.
So the beasts in effect are many and varied in character.
but keep it simple and remember you are born in sin, which is a culture whose heads are liberal promoting sin ways , like the west or you are born in poor cultures who's heads are also corrupt and promote and permit sin life as well,
get the picture??????????????????

all are of the lake of fire or sea of evil cultures and controlling kings for their own personal selfish motives. No country is heaven, nor ever will be.
That is why it's repeated that there will come down "new jerusalem" which is to say the 'new heaven on earth', and by the appearence of the Prince of that City of Peace ie king David as even Jesus confirnms and speaks and it is written.
get the picture????????????????

or do you still care not to hear me or pretend i don't exist?

Whatever, you will not only hear from me but these aare the words of the Holy Prophets hence Holy Spirit, the same as God speaking.
When finally you hear properly perhaps you will understand the urgency and need to change and live unto righteousness and give up accepting sin cultures and liberal gove;s and con-statutions that permit the exploitation and abuse of the human spirit which ultimately is God's own children. Therefore He is angry and will pour out His wrath in vials , coming soon after the white throne judgement and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. That is the real madness still to come, and they will make war with me but b/c they have be made my footstool, by our Lobving Father , they will no doubt go down to defeat and ultimately have to cast in toe the lake of fire, cultures of sin and perversion to live being abused for 1000 years that is even more than the 7 times that is written of typically for those who are not obediant to God's laws.
get the picture?????????????

or is this still too much or complex or diffficult to comprehend?

some of you are showing signs that you may be able to hear, but this lake of fire has as always being inculcated since you were born is still tripping you up b/c you take it literally and are having a hard time removing the literal though from your mind. thatis b/c the pulpit phd , doctors, and affiliate false prophets the right arm of the gove is still planted in your minds and you remain marked by the various beasts.
get the picture??????????????

Is the view clearer?

 

[ross3421]

Now we know that John’s 7 headed beast is the coming together of the 4 beasts of Daniel which collectively comprise the 7 heads. We also know that from this fourth and final beast kingdom to rise in the earth, the one with the 10 horns as described by Daniel, the little horn will come. We are told he will speak great things against The Most High and will wear out the saints of The Most High. We are also told that his end comes and dominion is given to The Son of Man.

Great ! agree. You seemed to understand that the 7 heads come from the four beasts. I have a previous thread explaining this.....


These four beasts have seven heads. I do beleive that the four beasts also are represented in the first four seals.

Lion- Head #1
Bear- Head #2
Leopard- Heads #3,4,5,6
Fourth Beast- Head #7

The fourth beast is composed of 10 horns in which will arise a little horn

What is really of interest here is what Daniel describes happening to the rest of the beasts.

Thank you for understanding that the 3 which are subdued are the first 3 beasts not 3 of the 10 horns which is taught today.

Remember there are 4 and while the little horn and his armies are destroyed and he is delivered into the lake of fire the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken from them but their lives are prolonged. In other words they are not destroyed but they lose their power and dominion in the earth. Again these are the same beasts which John is speaking about. They comprise his “one” 7 headed beast as described in Revelation 13 (compare to Daniel 7).

I agree however with a slight correction. The little horn from the fourth beast will subdue the first 3 beasts and at this time dominion and power are taken away from them for a season and a time. Note it is the little which subdued these 3 and will still have dominion during this season and a time (God's plaques).

Your rendering that verse 11 happens before verse 12 is incorrect due the fact that it preceeds needs to be reconsidered. Note 9,10, and 11 all occur time wise after verse 12. Verse 12 just goes back and discusses the others beasts and not to be understood that it occurs afterwards.

So I ask, are you saying that people who received the mark of the beast (which you claim these heads of the beasts represent) are going to be allowed into the millennium (whatever you choose to believe that means)? It’s even worse if you do not believe in a literal millennium because this would be akin to saying they will inherit the new heavens and the new earth which would be contrary to the fate Scripture says awaits them.

I am not sure I understand the question. The people who have the mark of the beast will be destroyed upon the return of Christ.....

Mark.

 

[exodus19]

understand this, the mark of the beast ie 666, is revealled, at he wite throne judgement and confirms the battle of armageddon as you are prived to in ch 16.

what you don't understand is this this word destruction. you rely on etympology and other scholoars who you for negative reasons respect and believe b/c of being inclucated due to physical eyes and mind.
when destruction of a building is implied yes there is physical destruction, but the body of man is not all that makes up man. There is spirit as well and the spirit can be destroyed in that it belongs to another or is lost to another as in the expression 'gone a whoring' which implied gone off to serve false gods, ie idols and not gods.

this is some of your problem in recognizing the whole truth about revelation, the beast is destroyed and cast into the sea of hell, or waters of wilderness, but it is done by God not man physically nor God in some dramatic triumphant hollywood fashion, of amyth story.

here carefully that what is more important is the prophecy of the 144,000 and the gatrhering of saints and angels and become one yourself to understand the events as they unfold and to not be tricked up consciously by the literalists that hold to false expression which ultimately never unfolds and hence there never is the unfolding of Revelation, b/c they do not accept messiah as they didn't 2000 years ago. the AC and those who continue to serve evil and love to fornicate and enjoy the sins of the liberal gove;'s hold onto their beliefs of eat, drink and lets be merry in Sodom (Y ) and Gamorrah

get the picture????????

so do you love sin life and want to continue therein , then you wear the mark of the beast and serve sin life and continue eternally in sin, but where you end up ie in the deserts and wilderness is the Lord's promise and where is that.

that's right the sea of fire , lake of sin and disease and cruel characters of abuse and exploits.

these are not my words nor interpretaions they are repeated all day long by the Holy Prophets and Jesus and Paul and so on.


need references ???or are you still thinking i'm talking jiberish?

hello, and your name is????

peace my friends peace

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi ross

Why do you insist on putting your own interpretation on things that are explained to us in simple terms

Rev 17:9: And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

They are not churches, the are kingdoms.

Now when is John seeing this Vision

1: And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

So he is seeing the harlot at the END of the harlot's time.

So knowing this we look to the next line

10: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So here he is at the Last generation before Christ’s return during this time five of these kingdoms have fallen one is in place.............................and one is yet to come.

This is not Babylon Greece Persia Bla bla bla...............these are kingdoms somewhere in-between when Christ left Earth and when he returns.

And we are plainly told that the vision is at the time of Christ’s return. So the five that have fallen have fallen somewhere between 95 AD when the Book is written and today.

Your man made doctrine that these are churches is just that man made doctrine.

 

[exodus19]

it'w yu ho makes up just as much crap trying to lay on the speculative ideas as thick as anyone else here.

number 7 , 7 churches, 7 mountains,

7 is everywhere and why do you think 7 is everywhere?

are you going to call everything false and not so when you find out that there was 11 and not 7.

if you guys are so locked on believing that everything has to happen exactly according to the number or amount written then YOU WILL ALL BE FOOLS AGAIN IN THE NEXT LIFE.

get over it

what about the 144,000 are you going to count them off, like the JW did those literalists.

Do you think messiah is going to stand among you with his clothes all dipped in real blood as it says in rev 19:13?

real blood like human blood or pig blood .

c'mon you literalists who want to see jesus coming on a surf board in the clouds and land with his clothes all full of blood with a tatoo Rev 19:16 on his thigh saying king of kings.

c'mon tell me this ain't so joe, please tell me this ain't so???????????????

answer the questions,

i read your( not only yours) foolishness all day and all your vain attemps at explaining away God

 

[Kingdom_Come]

I agree however with a slight correction. The little horn from the fourth beast will subdue the first 3 beasts and at this time dominion and power are taken away from them for a season and a time. Note it is the little which subdued these 3 and will still have dominion during this season and a time (God's plaques).

Your rendering that verse 11 happens before verse 12 is incorrect due the fact that it preceeds needs to be reconsidered. Note 9,10, and 11 all occur time wise after verse 12. Verse 12 just goes back and discusses the others beasts and not to be understood that it occurs afterwards.

I disagree completely with this. First the stage is set where Daniel sees the beasts rising up out of the sea. He then describes a few of the things which pertain to each beast correlating with their place in the events which must unfold. He then sees the fourth and final beast which is to rise. Notice the others have not fallen. We are never told they are fallen. This is a vision about the time of the feet and toes as these beasts represent major kingdoms which will exist at the return of Christ. Remember this goes back to the vision of Nebuchadnezzar. When Daniel explains the vision he explains that The Stone will smash the feet and that it represents the God of heaven breaking the kingdoms which exist at that time (reference Daniel chapter 2).



Now as we forward to the vision recorded in Chapter 7 we must first understand that these 4 major beast kingdoms are ones that will exist during the time of the feet and toes and they will be the kingdoms which are broken by The Most High. This is why they are never said to fall. Daniel sees them rise but does not describe their fall until after the fourth beast kingdom has risen. The reason verse 12 is key is because it reveals when these beast kingdoms are broken and subdued, it is at the appearing of The Son of Man. He breaks them and strips them of their dominion over the earth. However many of the people who comprise the populations of three of these major kingdoms are allowed to live and enter into the millennium. This is when Christ gains dominion (verse 14).



Now let me get to why I disagree. When Daniel sees the fourth beast kingdom rising he describes some of the things that will happen regarding this kingdom just as he gave some description about things that happen with regard to the three that rose before. It is this fourth beast kingdom which has the 10 horns in it. Remember the horns were revealed to John to be 10 kings that do not have kingdoms but will receive their power as kings one hour with the beast (Rev 17:12). Now Daniel goes on to describe what is happening at the rise of this final beast kingdom. There appears to be an internal war or power struggle going on at the formation of this final kingdom. The little horn rises from among the 10 horns and subdues three of them.

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Now this little horn goes on to establish this fourth kingdom which will join with the other 3 major beast kingdoms. Therefore those that teach that he will subdue three of the horns are correct. Daniel goes on to talk about this a little more in detail.

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;



Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.



Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;



Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

The 10 horns are upon the head of this fourth beast which represents their dominion and position of authority in the places and among the peoples which will make up this fourth and final kingdom. When the little horn subdues 3 of these horns this now reduces the number to seven of which he is the eighth. Verse 24 also states that this happens within the ranks of this particular kingdom. “ And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” This fourth kingdom will be a kingdom of destruction as it is lead by the son of destruction who himself follows the angel of destruction. At the time of its unleashing it will devour the whole earth and break it in pieces. This is essentially the time of great trouble, the time of horrors the scale of which has not been seen since man has been upon the earth. He will make war with the saints for a time until it is stopped by The Ancient of Days. The other three beast kingdoms will be part of the larger beast (spoken of in Revelation Chapter 13) of which this fourth beast is a part as well. At the time of the battle of Armageddon the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies will gather together to make war against the King of kings and Lord of lords. The armies will be destroyed and the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (reference Revelation 19 which correlates with what is happening in Daniel 7).



This is when the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken away as the armies of the kings of the earth have been destroyed and their kings and captains have been slain. They no longer have a base of power in the world.

I am not sure I understand the question. The people who have the mark of the beast will be destroyed upon the return of Christ.....

Let me try to clarify. Your initial statement was that the seven heads of the beasts represent all who embrace a false religion and accept the mark of the beast. What I was pointing out in Daniel is that some of the remnants of three of these beasts will enter the millennium. How can you reconcile this if they all (of all 4 beast kingdoms) received the mark of the beast? My point is that I do not see the seven heads as representing people in a false religion. I see them as the governments or heads of the major nations which will comprise the final four major kingdoms which will attempt to become one or an attempt will be made to make them one.

 

[exodus19]

I disagree completely with this. First the stage is set where Daniel sees the beasts rising up out of the sea. He then describes a few of the things which pertain to each beast correlating with their place in the events which must unfold. He then sees the fourth and final beast which is to rise. Notice the others have not fallen. We are never told they are fallen. This is a vision about the time of the feet and toes as these beasts represent major kingdoms which will exist at the return of Christ. Remember this goes back to the vision of Nebuchadnezzar. When Daniel explains the vision he explains that The Stone will smash the feet and that it represents the God of heaven breaking the kingdoms which exist at that time (reference Daniel chapter 2).



Now as we forward to the vision recorded in Chapter 7 we must first understand that these 4 major beast kingdoms are ones that will exist during the time of the feet and toes and they will be the kingdoms which are broken by The Most High. This is why they are never said to fall. Daniel sees them rise but does not describe their fall until after the fourth beast kingdom has risen. The reason verse 12 is key is because it reveals when these beast kingdoms are broken and subdued, it is at the appearing of The Son of Man. He breaks them and strips them of their dominion over the earth. However many of the people who comprise the populations of three of these major kingdoms are allowed to live and enter into the millennium. This is when Christ gains dominion (verse 14).



Now let me get to why I disagree. When Daniel sees the fourth beast kingdom rising he describes some of the things that will happen regarding this kingdom just as he gave some description about things that happen with regard to the three that rose before. It is this fourth beast kingdom which has the 10 horns in it. Remember the horns were revealed to John to be 10 kings that do not have kingdoms but will receive their power as kings one hour with the beast (Rev 17:12). Now Daniel goes on to describe what is happening at the rise of this final beast kingdom. There appears to be an internal war or power struggle going on at the formation of this final kingdom. The little horn rises from among the 10 horns and subdues three of them.







Now this little horn goes on to establish this fourth kingdom which will join with the other 3 major beast kingdoms. Therefore those that teach that he will subdue three of the horns are correct. Daniel goes on to talk about this a little more in detail.







The 10 horns are upon the head of this fourth beast which represents their dominion and position of authority in the places and among the peoples which will make up this fourth and final kingdom. When the little horn subdues 3 of these horns this now reduces the number to seven of which he is the eighth. Verse 24 also states that this happens within the ranks of this particular kingdom. “ And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” This fourth kingdom will be a kingdom of destruction as it is lead by the son of destruction who himself follows the angel of destruction. At the time of its unleashing it will devour the whole earth and break it in pieces. This is essentially the time of great trouble, the time of horrors the scale of which has not been seen since man has been upon the earth. He will make war with the saints for a time until it is stopped by The Ancient of Days. The other three beast kingdoms will be part of the larger beast (spoken of in Revelation Chapter 13) of which this fourth beast is a part as well. At the time of the battle of Armageddon the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies will gather together to make war against the King of kings and Lord of lords. The armies will be destroyed and the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (reference Revelation 19 which correlates with what is happening in Daniel 7).



This is when the rest of the beasts have their dominion taken away as the armies of the kings of the earth have been destroyed and their kings and captains have been slain. They no longer have a base of power in the world.







Let me try to clarify. Your initial statement was that the seven heads of the beasts represent all who embrace a false religion and accept the mark of the beast. What I was pointing out in Daniel is that some of the remnants of three of these beasts will enter the millennium. How can you reconcile this if they all (of all 4 beast kingdoms) received the mark of the beast? My point is that I do not see the seven heads as representing people in a false religion. I see them as the governments or heads of the major nations which will comprise the final four major kingdoms which will attempt to become one or an attempt will be made to make them one.

funny, how you make such a grand effort to record beasts as kingdoms and yet you haven't been able to use the other correlations from the the other OT prophets for your diatribe.

the waters make up the kingdoms and you are currently living in the waters, but i guess you don't understand that , do you.

hell hath enlarged herself, do you remember reading that?

Most of you leave off all the expressions from the Major Prophets that put together the basis and all the back up for Jesus's my olivet address.

typically you christian boys are always stuck in daniel or a glimmer of Ezekeil as if they said it all, yet they gave just parts of the latter days.
Most of what John wrote comes from the rest of the OT.

you all get so narrow minded in your approach b/c you don't have phd back up anywhere to support the expressions of John.

odd but true that's why you and jews are so divided on your views. the phd boys say 'he OT is to enveloped in symbology, as is revelation'. Therefore you don't hear sermons based on Rev.
and the jews say "you christians will never understand our jewish orthodoxy b/c we preserve it amongst ourselves and only we know or will affirm who messiah is"

 

[Kingdom_Come]

funny, how you make such a grand effort to record beasts as kingdoms and yet you haven't been able to use the other correlations from the the other OT prophets for your diatribe.

If you read the OP then you will see that what is being discussed is the 7 heads of the beast and what they represent. Thus I am confining my points to that subject.

the waters make up the kingdoms and you are currently living in the waters, but i guess you don't understand that , do you.

I didn’t think this was possible but when it comes to the prophetic language used in Revelation Chapter 17 this is correct. So we actually agree on this one point. However I limit this interpretation of waters to how it is used prophetically especially where the imagery is explained for us as in Chapter 17. I do not take the interpretation and attempt to apply it to books which were not meant to be taken or read in the same way.

Most of you leave off all the expressions from the Major Prophets that put together the basis and all the back up for Jesus's my olivet address.

typically you christian boys are always stuck in daniel or a glimmer of Ezekeil as if they said it all, yet they gave just parts of the latter days.
Most of what John wrote comes from the rest of the OT.

you all get so narrow minded in your approach b/c you don't have phd back up anywhere to support the expressions of John.

odd but true that's why you and jews are so divided on your views. the phd boys say 'he OT is to enveloped in symbology, as is revelation'. Therefore you don't hear sermons based on Rev.
and the jews say "you christians will never understand our jewish orthodoxy b/c we preserve it amongst ourselves and only we know or will affirm who messiah is"

I don’t know what most of this has to do with the actually topic of this thread. However again I am speaking on this topic and thus using the Scriptures which help me to make my point.

 

[exodus19]

not only i but you have been given this understanding before that 7 is God's number or is representative of being in His hands, or being completeness, or full, or satisfied and again this too according to God.

4 represents the 4 corners of the world or the entire world.

you are born into the sea, or lake of fire, this is what you are repeating in the book of revelation that is the same as the OT. when you are cast out of Jerusalem this orginal expression from the early books, and Moses, you are cast out of the walled village or the protective custody of lving with God or under His rule and order.
to be 'cast out' into the sea of waters or lake of fire was to cast amongst cultures of idolatry.
Now you have varying cultures mentioned throughout the OT, some wealthier than others , but yet still under evil rule or liberal kings who permitted sexual abuse and exploits, hence "sodom(y) and Gamorrah, where of the lake of fire. cultures of lust wherein the heads are dragons, snakes, foxes, _____ie beasts, exactly they were considered 'noisesome beasts' evil rules that were and liberal gove's promoting freedom of sex and liberites to enjoy flesh eating camp fires and get all drunk and enjoy fornications and sodomy parties.
get the picture?????????????????

this is repeated throughout as the 'lakes of fire' or cultures of sin life or idolatries, heathens and the jews were privy and still are to this understanding.
They see the world as cultures of heathens and are adept at exploiting the worldly heathens for their sin ways by controlling the media's and many gove's and their liberal ways from underneath by using varying kind of lobbying techniques and God is with them.

The same today as was thousands of years ago.

 

[OttawaUk]

The seven heads represent seven kings which must represent seven kingdoms. A king can only be a king of a kingdom.

At the time John was writing, five had already fallen, meaning the kings and their kingdoms had fallen, however the Beast they represented, continued in this world with the harlot of Babylon riding along with it.

God Bless,
OU

 

[Kingdom_Come]

And what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

[ross3421]

The seven heads represent seven kings which must represent seven kingdoms. A king can only be a king of a kingdom.

Actually the seven heads represent "mountains" in which the woman sits and also there are seven kings.

Is not where this woman sits the same as the beast's seat? Then we see a reference to at least one of the churches dwelling there.......Thus is it not possible that the seven heads represent these of the church which have aligned themselves with this beast and dwell in his seat. The opposite being true for the true church (those who have overcome and have sat down with Christ upon his seat)?

Thus the seven kings would be in charge of a certain section as it appears are the corresponding seven angels.....


Re 2:13I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.


Re 13:2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


Re 16:10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

At the time John was writing, five had already fallen,

Are you sure about this? Is he not seeing a future city in Babylon? So how could five already fall?.

When does the beast arise from the sea?????? Here in lies your answer.

Mark.

 

[exodus19]

honestly guys

when will you ever except the Word as it is written to be unerstood?

REALLY_____________NUMBER _______7_______ HONESTLY

WHAT DOES IT MEAN?

IT MAY ORGINATE FROM THE SABBATH DAY THE LORD'S DAY BUT THAT SAID

IF YOU WELL READ ,PROPERLY LEARNED ,SCHOOLED IN THE BIBLE ,IE OLD TESTAMENT,

SOMEWHERE YOU WOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT 7 WAS SYMBOLIC FOR BEING

__________GOD, OR IN GODS HANDS, OR A NUMBER TO SIGNIFY COMPLETENESS, OR WHOLE, OR ALL, OR TOTAL AMOUNT, OR SUFFICIENT.

YOU ARE STUCK GUYS,,,,,, REALLY STUCK,

granted , you have to hear numerlogy,

the number 4 represents the 4 corners of the world , where are the 4 corners?

have you ever stopped to think on that


LISTEN, IF YOU ARE STUCK ON THE NUMBER 7 FOR MOUNTAINS

THEN THE SAME FOR 144,000

OR 12 TRIBES _________WHEN WILL YOU START LITERALLY FIGURING THESE OUT EXACTLY
TO
A
FINITE
NUMBER

WELL????????????????????????????????????????????


YES THERE IS A BOOK WITH SEVEN SEALS_____________HORSES _______7 COLORED HORSES_________________7 ANGELS __________________7 VIALS

7____7_____7____________________USED OVER AND OVER.


7 MOUNTAINS

here you are really sounding like 9 year olds trying to figure everything out.


wake up and listen to jesus

matt 12:43" then goeth he, and taketh with him 7 other spirits out of his house and they enter in and dwell there.

the same verse is in Luke 11:26

go read don't tell jesus you don't understand him, and then run


who here has ever been taught about these verses and the relationship with the number 7 and why jesus said 7

so if jesus said 7 and john says 7 amd moses repeats 7 and so does David and so do the other prophets

then what is this 7 but a number that represents something other than a finite limited amound

granted there may be 7 days in a week but so what ?

consider matt 12:43

what doyou think "he went to the barn a got 7 bottles of wine as in "spirits". do you think he went and got 4 women and 3 men as in "spirits"

if you can't understand JESUS 101

HOW WILL YOU EVER UNDERSTAND JESUS IN REVELATION.


perhaps this is why you say you can't understand me, b/c you haven't understood MOses, nor David , nor Jeremiah, nor any prophet

AND YOU CAN'T ADMIT IT.

so skip this post and you think God will go away,

do you think the number 7 will just up and leave.

how about the 144,000 _____when will you argue over that finite number?

you might all sound like 'Jehovah witnesses' without knowing it?


listen to your selves all long winded about the same ole stuff, i have seen these exact same arguements ____EXACT____ ALL OVER THE PLACE IN THE WORLD.


you are all missing one ingediant ____________number 7_______ lolololol.

 

[ross3421]

Now as we forward to the vision recorded in Chapter 7 we must first understand that these 4 major beast kingdoms are ones that will exist during the time of the feet and toes and they will be the kingdoms which are broken by The Most High. This is why they are never said to fall. Daniel sees them rise but does not describe their fall until after the fourth beast kingdom has risen.

Kingdom come,


The fourth beast continues to have dominion for the season and the time while these beasts have been subdued. If not, then who does have dominion?

When the little horn subdues 3 of these horns this now reduces the number to seven of which he is the eighth.

Does it really say this.......it never says that 3 of the 10 are reduced. Actually it states the the little horn is the eighth of the seven heads..

7 + 1 = 8 not 10 - 3 +1 = 8

Re 17:9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.Re 17:10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.Re 17:11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

What I was pointing out in Daniel is that some of the remnants of three of these beasts will enter the millennium. How can you reconcile this if they all (of all 4 beast kingdoms) received the mark of the beast?

Here in lies why you are not seeing what I am saying....... You are trying so hard to place people in a 1000 year period which you have deemed fact that you are grabbing at scriptures to create such a situation.

Are there really those of the beasts which survive the wrath of God and the return of Christ? Scripture says ALL are to be killed. Where does it show that they all are not?

See my new thread on the matter.....thanks.

Mark.

 

[exodus19]

first off why only 7 churches addressed?

if you are so fanatically attached to numbers and the names of things then ultimately you will all be stuck back in the literalism of Rev ch 2 and 3 and trying to discern where all the churches are going to appear.

and even before that Jesus has to walking around with 7 candlesticks in two hands and so on and so forth.


so by that deduction ,YOU ARE ONLY KIDDING YOURSELVES WITH ALL THIS WASTE OF YOUR SO CALLED EXEGESIS.

AND honestly you might best turn into " Preterists" trying to figure out the 7 churches.

really guys _________________give it up and let the girls move in and take a seat , there typically not as bent on facts and so called being intelligent and there more likely to ask questions from their heart and hear the Truth than you all who are trying to MAN-U FACT URE it ______get it man u fact nothing.

The fact is the 7 of churches is symbolice for all churches and faiths,

UNLESS YOU BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE SOME KIND OF CLOSET LITERALIST WHO SPEAKS AS YOUR OPINION SEES FIT TO WHEN YOU WANT AND WHEN NOT.

Face it your raod will never end it will wind forever unless you hear from messiah and the seals and guessing your way won't get you back to heaven either, nor will just your faith, without works, adn messiah comes what are your works needing to be.

If you deny him, it's as if you deny God , correct?

so 7 mountains are not limited but are an expression of the 'all 'the worldly kingdoms.
and there is one who is above all in the latter days, and there are so others who in effect are for but against as well.

Does not the scripture confirm that , when Babylon is taken down that others are also cheering the defeat.

oh well, is that not another mountain or is that the sea. Rev 18:15-19.

thinking keep thinking don't bust your heads over it !

peace brothers