self aware

[GrowingSmaller]

if self concept inaccurate eg in schizophrenia, is subject self aware?

 

[korvus]

Can you elaborate?

 

[twinc]

Can you elaborate?

just an addition and not the elaboration you seek "

what is this life if full of care we have no time to stand and stare[Davies] but even more important while we stand and stare to be aware that we are there while we stand and stare - just a thought - twinc

 

[Paradoxum]

I find it hard to answer the question. 'I' am aware that a thing exists which experiences thought and stimuli. This thing 'I' call me.

I'm not sure what is being questioned. The fact that I experience many things as a coherent whole, seems to be necessarily true when I experience such experiences.

 

[quatona]

if self concept inaccurate eg in schizophrenia, is subject self aware?

Usually I am not harping on grammatical inaccuracies (and - English being my second language - I can´t afford doing this on these boards), but here I would kindly ask you to reword this into a complete sentence.

 

[variant]

if self concept inaccurate eg in schizophrenia, is subject self aware?

The self concept is always inaccurate, so yes to an extent, so no, not completely.

Consciousness is a sliding scale.

Also, it would be hard to judge the self concept of a schizophrenic as "more inaccurate" as it's possible that the schizophrenic is more self aware and we exist in a more flawed self concept that is simply more functional.

We define mental illness by functionality not by the accuracy of our self concepts.

 

[RDKirk]

"I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam." -- Popeye the Existential Philosopher

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Sorry for poor grammar I was positing from a smart TV using the remopte not a keyboard. So one sentence took about 10 mins.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

If a man thinks he is a fish he will want to swim all day. If he thinks he is a soul he might want to worship all day. If I thinks "I am a cod" and has a cod self model, then because he is a homo sapien, he is not modelled correctly. If i say the Earth is flat, am I Earth aware? No. Awareness of self concept does not mean self aware. It means self concept or self model aware.

Three studies offered new and converging empirical support for this hypothesis using two variables that are sensitive to perceived social surveillance: public self-awareness and socially desirable responding. For believers, the effect of an explicit God prime on public self-awareness was comparable to the effect of thinking about how other people view oneself. (Experiment 1). An implicit God concepts prime increased public self-awareness (Experiment 2) and socially desirable responding (Experiment 3) among believers.

from here

 

[GrowingSmaller]

We define mental illness by functionality not by the accuracy of our self concepts.

Not both, in schizophrenia at least?

Social functionaing is also defined in terms of social norms and averages AFACT. Therefore if the bar is low, becuase self is on average dysfunctional, a lot of strange fish are going to get throught the net. And vice versa. Meaning a lot of dysfunctional selves will potentially be regarded as "integrated", or (vice versa) comparatively more integrated selves might be regarded as dysfunctional. Due to comparisons with functional or dysfunctional populations.

But who defines what a functional population is. What if the population "thinks it is a fish" (see my previous post).

I am not sure...

 

[Eudaimonist]

If a man thinks he is a fish he will want to swim all day. If he thinks he is a soul he might want to worship all day. If I thinks "I am a cod" and has a cod self model, then because he is a homo sapien, he is not modelled correctly. If i say the Earth is flat, am I Earth aware? No. Awareness of self concept does not mean self aware. It means self concept or self model aware.

I figured that this is where you were going with this. If someone is confused about what species he is, then he isn't self-aware. I agree with you that being "aware" of a self-concept isn't the same thing as being self-aware, which implies to me a more direct relation.

I also don't think that being self-aware requires infallible and precise knowledge of one's self. If you are aware that you are a human being, you are self-aware. It doesn't take much, even if there are mistaken ideas of selfhood that the Buddha would pounce on.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[variant]

Not both, in schizophrenia at least?

Social functionaing is also defined in terms of social norms and averages AFACT. Therefore if the bar is low, becuase self is on average dysfunctional, a lot of strange fish are going to get throught the net. And vice versa. Meaning a lot of dysfunctional selves will potentially be regarded as "integrated", or (vice versa) comparatively more integrated selves might be regarded as dysfunctional. Due to comparisons with functional or dysfunctional populations.

But who defines what a functional population is. What if the population "thinks it is a fish" (see my previous post).

I am not sure...

I am saying that I have no solid basis to judge whether someone with schizophrenia has a less accurate self concept than I do because I don't know how self concepts work systematically.

I suspect it is the case, but how can I simply assert the veracity of my self concepts?

Perhaps having a more accurate self concept leads to what I would call a dysfunctional mental state.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I am supposing there there are degrees of self awareness. I havent really considered this stuff before. For example someone knowleedgable about primate evolution would have a good understanding of "family history" or lineage. BTW I know a saying from Islamisc traditions which says the best lineage is good manners.