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Yes, the later statements essentially are tritheistic. Her earlier statements have the Son as the only "being" that can enter into all the counsels of God, and next to him in rank is satan.Which is full-on Tritheism, basically, as opposed to one God, with one divine essence, abiding in three persons with three hypostases, that of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son and Word of God, uniting in it both the divine nature of God with the created nature of humanity, so that fallen man might be restored and glorified and remade in the image of God through His redemptive work on the Cross, which is the orthodox doctrine of the traditional Christian churches such as the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, the Roman Catholics, the Assyrians, the Anglicans, the Lutherans, traditional Methodists, most Calvinists, and so on.
Quite true, which is why the SDA has been viewed as being on the fringe of orthodox Christianity, at best.Which is full-on Tritheism, basically, as opposed to one God, with one divine essence, abiding in three persons with three hypostases, that of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son and Word of God, uniting in it both the divine nature of God with the created nature of humanity, so that fallen man might be restored and glorified and remade in the image of God through His redemptive work on the Cross, which is the orthodox doctrine of the traditional Christian churches such as the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox, the Roman Catholics, the Assyrians, the Anglicans, the Lutherans, traditional Methodists, most Calvinists, and so on.
Yes, the later statements essentially are tritheistic. Her earlier statements have the Son as the only "being" that can enter into all the counsels of God, and next to him in rank is satan.
WE don't claim that the TEN are the only commandments of God in the moral law of God found in scripture.Curiously, I don't find them in my copy of the ten commandments in Exodus 20, so I guess they are merely suggestions or, perhaps, recommendations.
one God Deut 6:4 in THREE Persons Matt 28:19@bbbbbbb
Another quote:
Special Testimonies, Series B, 7 -- SpTB07
The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person.” “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Here is shown the personality of the Father. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.
Compare:
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
Some people get stuck on opposing one or more of the TEN.So now we are back to the question asked by the other poster, @bbbbbbb. Which other commandments do you include with the ten and why?
Peace be with you, Bob, my manSome people get stuck on opposing one or more of the TEN.
If you find a conversation here where that is not the case - we can get to the next step because obviously SDAs affirm distinctions in Lev 11, the commandments in Deut 6:5 , Lev 19:18 etc
Not entirely correct since in the more full context she rejects "three gods" and states that the Holy Spirit is fully God and is not excluded -- so then SDAs believe it is the Triune Godhead and next to that in rank is Lucifer the highest of the created beings. ONE God in three persons - not THREE GODS - obviously.Yes, the later statements essentially are tritheistic. Her earlier statements have the Son as the only "being" that can enter into all the counsels of God, and next to him in rank is satan.
The official SDA doctrine teaches that all 66 books are inspired scripture, the Word of God, and that the animal sacrifices , offerings ended at the cross as Heb 10 says. Civil laws end with the theocracy and ceremonial laws end with the priesthood and sacrifices (as almost all denominations teach as well)(The official SDA website does not say what those other commandments are. (If they do, please post the link.)
Not entirely correct since in the more full context she rejects "three gods" and states that the Holy Spirit is fully God and is not excluded --
See how much of a difference it makes when one who actually believes SDA doctrine gives the view that SDAs have of a given topic.
I think that is very "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader that honestly want to know what SDAs believe rather than how this-or-that could be spun in a direction that almost no SDAs accept.
Does the website list the passages where the remaining laws are found? That is, the laws from the Old testament that are still in effect today? I haven't been able to find itThe official SDA doctrine teaches that all 66 books are inspired scripture, the Word of God, and that the animal sacrifices , offerings ended at the cross as Heb 10 says. Civil laws end with the theocracy and ceremonial laws end with the priesthood and sacrifices (as almost all denominations teach as well)(
The doctrinal position has been stated, not the actual scriptures.Interesting that I think this was stated for Leaf a few dozen times at this point - but I like that he is so interested in getting this message out in as many threads as possible.
Now Bob, put that with another statement you made:one God Deut 6:4 in THREE Persons Matt 28:19
Such that in John 17 -- Jesus is not "praying to Himself"
Where more differences show up is "Being" vs "person". Some argue as if one person is not one Being but rather 1/3 of a being. And so when you ask "who is Christ praying to in John 17..? Himself?" they don't know the
answer.
BobRyan said:
one God Deut 6:4 in THREE Persons Matt 28:19
Such that in John 17 -- Jesus is not "praying to Himself"
Now Tall, no matter how you misconstrue my posts the point above is not going to change AND the point above is actually in SDA Fundamental beliefs.Now Bob, put that with another statement you made:
IT also sounds like we view the concept/term GOD as ABOVE the "THREE PERSONS" term that ALL Christian denominations accept.It sounds like you see the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as persons, and also beings.
In context that is a reference to something "not God" and as we all know the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all GOD - just as even Ellen White admitted.But in any case, you are missing a being/person in Ellen White's Great Controversy statement. She knows of only one "being" in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God.
I think that is very "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader that honestly want to know what SDAs believe rather than how this-or-that could be spun in a direction that almost no SDAs accept.
Do you accept the TEN in their unedited unchanged form as included in the moral law of God - just as stated in scripture?Does the website list the passages where the remaining laws are found?
Indeed I have met a few of them (a tiny group as it turns out) and when confronted with the clear statements in our doctrine affirming the Trinity they reject our doctrine.Now Bob, you know well the arguments of non-Trinitarian Adventists,
Now Tall, no matter how you misconstrue my posts the point above is not going to change AND the point above is actually in SDA Fundamental beliefs.
IT also sounds like we view the concept/term GOD as ABOVE the "THREE PERSONS" term that ALL Christian denominations accept.
Now you may try-as-you wish to get all Christian denominations to back away from ONE God since they also affirm THREE PERSONS but we both know that your work in that area is doomed to fail. Can we agree on at least that much?
Do tell Bob. How is Ellen White's statement that Christ the Word, the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God, is referring to something NOT God in context.In context that is a reference to something "not God"
and as we all know the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all GOD - just as even Ellen White admitted.
Indeed I have met a few of them (a tiny group as it turns out) and when confronted with the clear statements in our doctrine affirming the Trinity they reject our doctrine.Now Bob, you know well the arguments of non-Trinitarian Adventists,
Just not in reality. Even James White admitted that his views eventually lined up with the Trinitarian position. Ellen White of course never went for James White's anti-trinitarian views -- SHE was in fact raised as a Methodist and firmly trinitarian the entire time - as we both know.Yes, and it is in conflict with Ellen White's early statements.
Indeed I have met a few of them (a tiny group as it turns out) and when confronted with the clear statements in our doctrine affirming the Trinity they reject our doctrine.
When confronted with the "Holy Spirit as the THIRD person of the Godhead" and other statements affirming the triune Godhead from Ellen White they resort to games like "well then the document was somehow edited/changed"
Indeed, so quickly you never get around to addressing their actual evidence. Because when you note their conspiracy theory is silly it falls apart.Their arguments fall apart quickly.
Even THEY have not been able to move the SDA denomination away from its "ONE God in THREE Persons" statement on the Godhead - so how in the world are you hoping to have any success at all in that area?
Indeed I have met a few of them (a tiny group as it turns out) and when confronted with the clear statements in our doctrine affirming the Trinity they reject our doctrine.Now Bob, you know well the arguments of non-Trinitarian Adventists,
Over 22 million SDAs today. And the SDA Fundamental Beliefs are solidly, explicitly "One God in THREE Persons".Not as tiny as you let on,
Did you run into 22 million?or perhaps you just were not in the regions where they are plentiful. I can say I ran into more than I would like to in real life
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