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Cliff2 · Sep 23, 2005

I am having my doubts that this is a genuine SDA Forum.

A person cannot deny the basic truths of the SDA Church and still claim to belong to it.

There are too many people on here that claim to be SDA's and do not even support the basic teaching of the SDA Church.

I am pleading with those who are not genuine SDA's to come out and say so.

That will help break down the barriers between those who claim to be SDA and those that reply with the correct view of what SDA's believe.

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Or could it be that you are surprised that not everyone who has been posting of late agrees with the sda views that you hold dear?

Cliff... I am an Adventist... a genuine adventist, I have been since I was 9 yrs old... I support rightly dividing the bible, and my loyalty is to God... I don't have any problems that we are not seeing eye to eye with everything taught by the church, I would be seriously concerned if we did....

Two texts for your consideration:

Luk 9:49-50 John answered, "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us." (50) But Jesus said to him, "Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you."

Joh 21:20-23 Peter turned and saw Jesus' favorite disciple following them. He was the same one who had sat next to Jesus at the meal and had asked, "Lord, who is going to betray you?" (21) When Peter saw that disciple, he asked Jesus, "Lord, what about him?" (22) Jesus answered, "What is it to you, if I want him to live until I return? You must follow me."

I am not your enemy, nor am I an enemy of the church in spite of what some here think.... Regardless of what I do, or how much a person likes or dislikes my actions, the words of Jesus are true today, "What is it to you, You must follow me...."

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

Well if you defy the basic teachings of the church, eg, saying that we are not the ones spoken of in revelation, then... if they are SDA beliefs, what makes one a sda?

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
Well if you defy the basic teachings of the church, eg, saying that we are not the ones spoken of in revelation, then... if they are SDA beliefs, what makes one a sda?

Not all of the basic teachings are being debated... However my definition of a Seventh Day Adventist is simple....

A Seventh Day Adventist is one who observes the seventh day sabbath and is looking for the 2nd Advent of Christ.... in between those two characteristics is alot of room for diverse beliefs and I don't have any problem with them... especially if they are supported by the bible and the bible only.... but that's me....

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

but there are other denominations that fit that category as well where do you draw the line? Its a tough one

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
but there are other denominations that fit that category as well where do you draw the line? Its a tough one

Why must a line be drawn? Are we attempting to include or exclude those who share a belief in the 2nd coming and the sabbath? Let me add this... Jesus said, IF I be lifted up I will draw all men to me..... so are we lifting Him up or are we concerned with who does or does not believe as we do?

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

Why draw a line? Simple, to make sure we don't have compromise.

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
Why draw a line? Simple, to make sure we don't have compromise.

Follow Christ... don't compromise in following Him....in the end He is not going to ask you what I did, He is going to ask what did I tell you to do? So you make sure you follow as He leads... regardless of what the church may or may not do....

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

The church can not allow and stand for things that are unbiblical. If people start believing other things, then, though we should deny membership, we don't have to shun them.

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
The church can not allow and stand for things that are unbiblical. If people start believing other things, then, though we should deny membership, we don't have to shun them.

The point is that it should not be about "the church." We make it about the church but really shouldn't the focus and the emphasis be on God... Jesus said IF I be lifted up.... He did not say If the CHURCH be lifted up.... I think our focus is off...

Now I do agree from the standpoint that a church can have rules that they want to use to identify themselves... but those rules may or may not be the same as the characteristics God uses to identify His followers.....

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

But the church is still important. It helps us support each other. What we see and associate with, we become ourselves. If we associate with the outside world, then theres a huge chance we'll become like them. If we associate with goodness, we'll have greater chance of being good

Just because we're discussing it, doesn't mean that I nor anyone else who discusses it, thinks that the church is more important than God

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
But the church is still important. It helps us support each other. What we see and associate with, we become ourselves. If we associate with the outside world, then theres a huge chance we'll become like them. If we associate with goodness, we'll have greater chance of being good

Just because we're discussing it, doesn't mean that I nor anyone else who discusses it, thinks that the church is more important than God

The fellowship that we have at church can be good and keep up mentally healthy if the relationships are positive... however lets not confuse the issue.... it is God who keeps us,

Jude 1:24-25 Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, (25) to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

Yes, but we arn't discussing that, we're discussing the church. So lets not bring any side arguments that have no merit into this.

You said, or at least thats what I understood, that anyone who believes any other side belief as well as those things you mentioned should be considered a SDA.

What if they do not believe in soul sleep?
A SDA should be anyone who believes in the bibles literally translation through and through.

Cliff2 · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
Yes, but we arn't discussing that, we're discussing the church. So lets not bring any side arguments that have no merit into this.

You said, or at least thats what I understood, that anyone who believes any other side belief as well as those things you mentioned should be considered a SDA.

What if they do not believe in soul sleep?
A SDA should be anyone who believes in the bibles literally translation through and through.

Windmill

First, happy Sabbath and happy birthday to you, what ever day it was this week.

You have wisdom far in excess of your years and may the Lord continue to give you blessings and wisdom.

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
Yes, but we arn't discussing that, we're discussing the church. So lets not bring any side arguments that have no merit into this.

You said, or at least thats what I understood, that anyone who believes any other side belief as well as those things you mentioned should be considered a SDA.

What if they do not believe in soul sleep?
A SDA should be anyone who believes in the bibles literally translation through and through.

Is it a heaven or hell issue? We all grow... they may not believe it, but may at some point... what about women's ordination, some adventists are for it, some are against it... women wearing pants, jewelry, diet.... in my opinion fall in that category...

Those things that are not salvific I don't stress over... and there are many things that are not salvific....

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

Adventists, we are meant to be different. It DOES matter, because if standards are breeched, then heck, we'll start compromising things that can NOT be compromised.

I mean, going by this idea, one who believes in murder should still be an SDA.

Hey Cliff, and thanks! Happy sabbath to you as well mate. Oh, and to you stormy, though I don't think its sabbath there yet

StormyOne · Sep 23, 2005

Windmill said:
Adventists, we are meant to be different. It DOES matter, because if standards are breeched, then heck, we'll start compromising things that can NOT be compromised.

I mean, going by this idea, one who believes in murder should still be an SDA.

Hey Cliff, and thanks! Happy sabbath to you as well mate. Oh, and to you stormy, though I don't think its sabbath there yet

Nope not sabbath here yet... we have a few hours... I have never seen one of the fundamental beliefs of a church include murder, but I think you get my point... Let God deal with the standards... He knows who his followers are and He will keep them safe from contamination IF they let Him.....

As a side point there were adventists who agreed with the war on Iraq, thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed (murdered?), so did they believe in murder and are they still adventists?

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

It depends on what parts they agreed with.

I believe the fundementals however state about the 10 commandments. Or at the very least, the whole bible being true.

Cliff2 · Sep 23, 2005

StormyOne said:
Nope not sabbath here yet... we have a few hours... I have never seen one of the fundamental beliefs of a church include murder, but I think you get my point... Let God deal with the standards... He knows who his followers are and He will keep them safe from contamination IF they let Him.....

As a side point there were adventists who agreed with the war on Iraq, thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed (murdered?), so did they believe in murder and are they still adventists?

StormyOne

Try this one that covers murder and all the rest of the ten commandments

"19. The Law of God:
The great principles of God's law are embodied in the Ten Commandments and exemplified in the life of Christ. They express God's love, will, and purposes concerning human conduct and relationships and are binding upon all people in every age. These precepts are the basis of God's covenant with His people and the standard in God's judgment. Through the agency of the Holy Spirit they point out sin and awaken a sense of need for a Saviour. Salvation is all of grace and not of works, but its fruitage is obedience to the Commandments. This obedience develops Christian character and results in a sense of well-being. It is an evidence of our love for the Lord and our concern for our fellow men. The obedience of faith demonstrates the power of Christ to transform lives, and therefore strengthens Christian witness. (Ex. 20:1-17; Ps. 40:7, 8; Matt. 22:36-40; Deut. 28:1-14; Matt. 5:17-20; Heb. 8:8-10; John 15:7-10; Eph. 2:8-10; 1 John 5:3; Rom. 8:3, 4; Ps. 19:7-14.)"

The rest of the "27" can be found here.

Windmill · Sep 23, 2005

there, I knew there was one that did! Thanks cliff.

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