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I did know what it means but thanks for being so helpful.What are you talking about? You need to stay on topic, we were defining an Arabic word for some people who didn't know what it means. What does this have to do with praying with Mormons? (which I don't think is ethical)
If he is kewl with it sunny, so am IIt's my pet name for him.
He's cool with it lol.
LOL.. yeah, he's cool.If he is kewl with it sunny, so am I
Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for YNG
(bowels)
occurs 41 times in 39 verses in the YNG
1st time used:
Young) Genesis 15:4 And lo! the word of YHVH [is] unto him, saying, "this [one] doth not heir thee;
but he who cometh out from thy bowels, he doth heir thee;'
Last time used:
Young) 1 John 3:17 and whoever may have the goods of the world, and may view his brother having need and may shut up his bowels from him--
how doth the love of God remain in him?
The thread or the IBS talk?It reminds me of the movie 'Along Came Polly'
Maybe I can ask: how does one live the Scriptures in Sola Sciptura ?
Are the demonstrated teachings as important as the spoken teachings ?
But I don't think laboratory Physics has the same spiritual significance as the Holy Scriptures (and it takes a great deal of effort, it would seem, to defy the laws of Physics in ones living
hmm not sure about all this norma norma stuff, getting kind of confusing
Josiah said:I would entirely agree. However, that makes it UNDER Scripture - it would make at (at most) "norma normata" (that which HAS BEEN normed by the norm), it would not be a case that Scripture is correct because it agrees with the Nicene Creed but the other way around. A nice application of Sola Scriptura, btw.
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yes the creed is a clear and reliable exposition of scripture
Thelka said:But I don't think laboratory Physics has the same spiritual significance as the Holy Scriptures
Note that the first part of 1 Timothy 3:15, which simply says that the house of God is the church, doesn't change what the second part of 1 Timothy 3:15 says, that the living God himself is the pillar and ground of the truth; this is what other verses show as well (John 14:6, Ephesians 4:21, cf. 1 Timothy 2:4, John 17:3).
We must never try to replace God himself with the church as our source of truth, because the church is fallible. It's only by sticking close to God's own infallible Word (2 Timothy 3:16), which is his truth (John 17:17), that we can be sure not to be led astray by anyone in the church who might be teaching false doctrines which contradict God's Word (2 Timothy 4:2-4, 1 Timothy 4:1, John 8:31, Mark 8:35-38).
Warm doesn't hack it with the LordThis strikes me as coming from a very warm Spirit; plus i needed a laugh so thanks for that!
It's a an approach to authority. Limited power on specific matters. Advisory authority on certain matters of faith and worship. Properly applied it keeps the bishop from becoming a dictator or a brainwasher, as in the censure of Galileo. Or the extended powers to effect certain inquiries into the faith of people.Maybe I can ask: how does one live the Scriptures in Sola Sciptura ?
Are the demonstrated teachings as important as the spoken teachings ?
Trust God, but keep an eye on the church.quote=sensational;Why do you think we should trust the church that decided to include/exclude Christian writings of antiquity that hundreds of years after their creation formed the NT?
What do your "ears to hear" tell you?Was this church right on this important of an issue (canon) but wrong with most other issues?
People of every denomination do that to some degree. Does the first one to point the finger & scream heretic win? No, it's the one who has relatives in office & on the police force.It seems the early church used scripture as authoritative but when push came to shove the early church fathers appealed to their historical church connection or succession to the first and second generation of Christians and to the church's rule of faith or orthodox teachings when arguing against the heretics because of the apparently incalcitrant views the early heretics (Sabellianists, gnostics, montanists) espoused using the same scriptures. The obvious reason they did this it seems is because as Irenaeus tells us these heretics would twist and misinterpret the sciptures to support thier own false cosmologies.
That the church was able to recognize & collect even an arguable collection in spite of the many unscriptural & non-apostolic traditions is proof there is a God.To my mind this provides an early example of the logical paralysis that one who subscribes to sola sciptura or the "me, the bible and Jesus" only belief must deal with. Historically the church and tradition played such an important role that the statment that "the Bible was born in the cradle of the church" is not hyperbole but historical reality.
BTW, my particular church tradition was RCC until I became an adult & discovered Reform Theology.BTW most of us implicitly or explicitly interpret scripture throught the lens of particular church traditions regardless of which group you fall into ie EO, RCC, Anglican, Luther, Calvin etc and yes even you Non denoms out there.
Was this church right on this important of an issue (canon) but wrong with most other issues?
Agreed.What do your "ears to hear" tell you?
I think it was about as right as the idea of a canon can be, but who are you gonna believe? It would make sense that if any church was gonna get anything right, God would make sure the canon would be it. Even stopped clocks are right twice a day.
Trust God, but keep an eye on the church.
sensational said:
Why do you think we should trust the church that decided to include/exclude Christian writings of antiquity that hundreds of years after their creation formed the NT?
sensational said:
Was this church right on this important of an issue (canon) but wrong with most other issues?
sensational said:
It seems the early church used scripture as authoritative but when push came to shove the early church fathers appealed to their historical church connection or succession to the first and second generation of Christians and to the church's rule of faith or orthodox teachings when arguing against the heretics because of the apparently incalcitrant views the early heretics (Sabellianists, gnostics, montanists) espoused using the same scriptures. The obvious reason they did this it seems is because as Irenaeus tells us these heretics would twist and misinterpret the sciptures to support thier own false cosmologies.
To my mind this provides an early example of the logical paralysis that one who subscribes to sola sciptura or the "me, the bible and Jesus" only belief must deal with. Historically the church and tradition played such an important role that the statment that "the Bible was born in the cradle of the church" is not hyperbole but historical reality.
BTW most of us implicitly or explicitly interpret scripture throught the lens of particular church traditions regardless of which group you fall into ie EO, RCC, Anglican, Luther, Calvin etc and yes even you Non denoms out there.
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