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Scientific Proof For The Existence of God/ Heaven
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<blockquote data-quote="FrumiousBandersnatch" data-source="post: 73984310" data-attributes="member: 241055"><p>No; you're confusing the TV receiver analogy with what it's analogising. In brief: just as being able to change the content of programmmes shown on a TV by messing with the TV would falsify the claim that they were received via a broadcast signal, so being able to change all recognised aspects of consciousness by messing with the brain falsifies the claim that the brain is a receiver for consciousness. </p><p></p><p>They weren't discussing the neuroscientific evidence. They were discussing the meaning and usage of 'free will'.</p><p></p><p>It's what you haven't said.</p><p></p><p>The statistics indicate that - over 73% of the population are Christian and a majority says religion and prayer is part of their daily life.</p><p></p><p>On the contrary, it's expressing freedom in physical terms, i.e. capability; defining your terms is part of such discussions - the whole point is that the popular conception of 'free' in free will is incoherent, so a coherent definition is required for a coherent & meaningful discussion.</p><p></p><p>I'm well aware they're different - that's why I mention them both; it's a common definition of freedom in philosophical discussions of free will.</p><p></p><p>The fact that people are and have been coerced (and that there's a legal definition of it) shows that you can coerce someone. If unethical means are used to persuade or convince someone to act, particularly against their will or better judgement, that's coercion; it happens a lot.</p><p></p><p>Degrees of freedom (in Dennett's description) is about the number of different ways an agent has to arrive at a choice, i.e. decision-making flexibility/complexity/sophistication. He explains this in the podcast you say you listened to...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FrumiousBandersnatch, post: 73984310, member: 241055"] No; you're confusing the TV receiver analogy with what it's analogising. In brief: just as being able to change the content of programmmes shown on a TV by messing with the TV would falsify the claim that they were received via a broadcast signal, so being able to change all recognised aspects of consciousness by messing with the brain falsifies the claim that the brain is a receiver for consciousness. They weren't discussing the neuroscientific evidence. They were discussing the meaning and usage of 'free will'. It's what you haven't said. The statistics indicate that - over 73% of the population are Christian and a majority says religion and prayer is part of their daily life. On the contrary, it's expressing freedom in physical terms, i.e. capability; defining your terms is part of such discussions - the whole point is that the popular conception of 'free' in free will is incoherent, so a coherent definition is required for a coherent & meaningful discussion. I'm well aware they're different - that's why I mention them both; it's a common definition of freedom in philosophical discussions of free will. The fact that people are and have been coerced (and that there's a legal definition of it) shows that you can coerce someone. If unethical means are used to persuade or convince someone to act, particularly against their will or better judgement, that's coercion; it happens a lot. Degrees of freedom (in Dennett's description) is about the number of different ways an agent has to arrive at a choice, i.e. decision-making flexibility/complexity/sophistication. He explains this in the podcast you say you listened to... [/QUOTE]
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