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But of course they are. Atomic theory, germ theory, aerodynamics and gravity are all theories in the same way as well.he4rty said:I`m not saying theories should not be taught but it should be made clear that they are theories and can be subjected to change.
No, evolution has always been based on scientific evidence. I think you were told this by a Creationist, and so consequently you dont understand evolution or how science works anyway. If you want to learn what evolution is really about Im sure if you ask nicely people here will be happy to help you there.but don`t you think evolution relies on as much of a faith basis as creationism
There is a great deal of evidence for evolution but that is not the point of this thread. The point of the OP of this thread is to ask for actual evidence for creationism. Do you have any to present?he4rty said:I`m not saying theories should not be taught but it should be made clear that they are theories and can be subjected to change.
but don`t you think evolution relies on as much of a faith basis as creationism
Edx said:No, evolution has always been based on scientific evidence. I think you were told this by a Creationist, and so consequently you dont understand evolution or how science works anyway. If you want to learn what evolution is really about Im sure if you ask nicely people here will be happy to help you there.
Indeed. Claiming scientific evidence to creationism is bogus.he4rty said:for what its worth
Creationism is an act of faith (no real scientific evidence)
this claim is outright false and it does indicate that you really don't know what a Scientific Theory is? After all, a Scientific Theory is the end result of the Scientific Method. the overall explanation that best explains all the evidence. So merely by that fact of science, your claim is blatantly false.Evolution is a theory(No real scientific evidence)
Also false. The statements regarding Evolution is based on actual evidence.if an Evolutionist states his oppinion on a subject it is accepted as being scientific.
Scientific Evidence os not opinion, it is evidence in the data sets. You are now misrepresenting Science.notice the similarities there both just oppinions.
Ah, a "just because I say so" posyulation if I have ever seen one. You are promoting a God-of-the-Gaps idea here. It means that everytime actual, solid evidence is presented to you, God shrinks.just on look at the unverse and how the planets work in harmony with each other and the mathmatical precision which causes total eclipses to occur tells me God definitly had a hand in creating the universe.
Everything is subject to change. Gravity might be wrong. next time you let go or a rock, it might fall up.he4rty said:I`m not saying theories should not be taught but it should be made clear that they are theories and can be subjected to change.
No, it relies on Scientific Evidence. That you have not bothered, before posting here, to understand what that means is not our fault.but don`t you think evolution relies on as much of a faith basis as creationism
Ah, no it isn't. Your false analogy indicates that you have no real exposure to science or any training in the Scientific Method at all. I find that shocking.he4rty said:This is the problem i have with evolution, its like me taking a box of wooden building blocks throwing them in the air and when they land they build a house.now how many times must i do this before this would occur(i`d hate to try).
But then, there is nothign in the evidnece for the Scientific Theory of Evolution that ever shoed this to occur. So you are arguing against a blatant misrepresentation that you set up yourself.Also how many fish commited suicide by thinking oh i can live outside of this lake before one accualty did and survived but then there would have to have been two one male one female for evolution to progress.
So you are utterly and completely denying the existence of mutations? Just want to be clear on that point?i don`t dispute naturaul selection occuring amongst species,but for dna to suddenly change
What do you mean with "grow"?or grow then no i don`t think that can occur
Huh? This doesn't make a lick of sense. Could you try to explain what you mean?because God created all things then we have a similar structure which has enabled people to observe life but now the`ve removed God from the equation.
wiki said:In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable.
he4rty said:.
i don`t dispute naturaul selection occuring amongst species,but for dna to suddenly change or grow then no i don`t think that can occur
because God created all things then we have a similar structure which has enabled people to observe life but now the`ve removed God from the equation.
he4rty said:This is the problem i have with evolution, its like me taking a box of wooden building blocks throwing them in the air and when they land they build a house.now how many times must i do this before this would occur(i`d hate to try).
Also how many fish commited suicide by thinking oh i can live outside of this lake before one accualty did and survived but then there would have to have been two one male one female for evolution to progress.
i don`t dispute naturaul selection occuring amongst species,but for dna to suddenly change or grow then no i don`t think that can occur
because God created all things then we have a similar structure which has enabled people to observe life but now the`ve removed God from the equation.
The standard tornado in the junkyard argument. This statement is strong evidence that you have been listening to creationist propaganda. It is what is known as a strawman attack because it is attacking an easily demolished misrepresentation of the actual argument that noone actually holds. Evolution is not building a house out of blocks, it is the fact that you are slightly different than your parents and your children will be slightly different than you.he4rty said:This is the problem i have with evolution, its like me taking a box of wooden building blocks throwing them in the air and when they land they build a house.now how many times must i do this before this would occur(i`d hate to try).
More Strawpeople, Did you get your list from AIG or from Hovind? The funny thing is that your next statement will show that you really don't have a problem with the idea of Evolution, only what you have been told about it by dishonest people.Also how many fish commited suicide by thinking oh i can live outside of this lake before one accualty did and survived but then there would have to have been two one male one female for evolution to progress.
DNA does not suddenly change, dogs do not give birth to cats, you are right, evolution does not say it does, only the people who lied to you say that.i don`t dispute naturaul selection occuring amongst species,but for dna to suddenly change or grow then no i don`t think that can occur
because God created all things then we have a similar structure which has enabled people to observe life but now the`ve removed God from the equation.
azmurath said:No, your God is a perfect being and is supposed to be perfect, so therefore he is either innocent or guilty,
Science has "peer review". Outside of that they have a kangaroo court where everyone is guilty. Science if left alone would very quickly self destruct.science is not a democracy where the courts decide what is and is not right,
science is science and is treated as fact until it is proven otherwise.
he4rty said:for what its worth
Creationism is an act of faith (no real scientific evidence)
Evolution is a theory(No real scientific evidence)
if a creationist states his oppinion on a subject it is dismissed as being faith driven not scientific.
if an Evolutionist states his oppinion on a subject it is accepted as being scientific.
notice the similarities there both just oppinions.
theories should be taught as such, yet they get taught as though they are fact!
just on look at the unverse and how the planets work in harmony with each other and the mathmatical precision which causes total eclipses to occur tells me God definitly had a hand in creating the universe.
he4rty said:This is the problem i have with evolution, its like me taking a box of wooden building blocks throwing them in the air and when they land they build a house.now how many times must i do this before this would occur(i`d hate to try).
Also how many fish commited suicide by thinking oh i can live outside of this lake before one accualty did and survived but then there would have to have been two one male one female for evolution to progress.
Genius. The bible never mentions the cross, simply the crucifixtionazmurath said:Ok, these are two broad subjects that YOU say verify the Bible. Where are your sources? Just because one part of the Bible is true does not make the whole thing true, I know for a fact that some thing sin there are true like that Rome crucified peopel for doing what Jesus did... although they never used crosses, I am fairly certain that was added during one of the little Bible changing pow-wows.
Show me scientific evidence of CREATIONISM,
The gospels were dated, by non christians and christians alike, to be approximately 30-60 years after the death of Christ. The gospel of Mark, the first written gospel, was finished around AD60. The gospels you are refering to, such as the gospel of Thomas and Mary Magdalene, were written 200-300 years after Christ, which is the reason they are not included in the bible. The facts found in these gospels don't line up with the Old Testament, nor are they historically reliable. Do you question who wrote Plato's works or when they were written? There is less historical evidence for Plato and other Greek philosophy writters than there is for the bible. Check your facts for the bible dear. In addition, the bible never mentions a cross, only a crucifixition. If you're going to critisize, at least try to have a basic understaning of what you are criticizing.azmurath said:Eye witness testimony written by someone who wrote it 200 years AFTER the fact??
sccrkid85 said:Do you question who wrote Plato's works or when they were written? There is less historical evidence for Plato and other Greek philosophy writters than there is for the bible.
sccrkid85 said:The gospels were dated, by non christians and christians alike, to be approximately 30-60 years after the death of Christ. The gospel of Mark, the first written gospel, was finished around AD60. The gospels you are refering to, such as the gospel of Thomas and Mary Magdalene, were written 200-300 years after Christ, which is the reason they are not included in the bible. The facts found in these gospels don't line up with the Old Testament, nor are they historically reliable. Do you question who wrote Plato's works or when they were written? There is less historical evidence for Plato and other Greek philosophy writters than there is for the bible. Check your facts for the bible dear. In addition, the bible never mentions a cross, only a crucifixition. If you're going to critisize, at least try to have a basic understaning of what you are criticizing.
Adriac said:Why bother? It really doesn't matter, except in a historical context. No one is going around saying that what Plato wrote actually occurred.
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