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Scientific Evidence for Creationism-Atempt 1000?

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Lets try again shall we. In fact I think starting a thread like this every time the first goes off topic from lack of Creationist responses might not be such a bad idea.

Creationists, present your scientific evidence here, and explain how this evidence supports your particular flavor of Creationism. Please also notate which theory you subscribe to, Gap,YEC, OEC, etc.

Will any Creationist ever step up and do this?
 

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OdwinOddball said:
Lets try again shall we. In fact I think starting a thread like this every time the first goes off topic from lack of Creationist responses might not be such a bad idea.

Creationists, present your scientific evidence here, and explain how this evidence supports your particular flavor of Creationism. Please also notate which theory you subscribe to, Gap,YEC, OEC, etc.

Will any Creationist ever step up and do this?

With all due respect, when the same type of OP is posted asking evolutionists about evolution, half or more of the responses are snarky.
 
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Pats said:
With all due respect, when the same type of OP is posted asking evolutionists about evolution, half or more of the responses are snarky.

While that can be true at times, there are also a considerable amount of on topic replies to such threads. Yet any time we have tried the same for creationism, there usuually have been no on topic creationist replies.
 
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OdwinOddball said:
While that can be true at times, there are also a considerable amount of on topic replies to such threads. Yet any time we have tried the same for creationism, there usuually have been no on topic creationist replies.

Admittedly, I haven't been here long enough to know.
 
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OdwinOddball said:
Creationists, present your scientific evidence here
First, let me ask you a simple queston. How much evidence would it take to show that the Bible was true? By "much" I mean quanity. Could we fit it on the head of a pin? Could we fit it in a sentance or a paragraph or a chapter in a book. Or would you need a whole book of evidence?

I would like a indication of how much space, or how many sentances & paragraphs your willing to read.

Second of all. You do realize that science is limited don't you? Not by volume, there could be half a million books on just physics along. But science is limited in what they can do and science is limited in evidence or proof that they can supply.

NOW the logical conclusion to this IS, IF you want SCIENTIFIC evidence for the Bible, or Creationism, then you have placed a limit on how much evidence I can give you, because science is limited in what it can do.

So, even if I were willing to agree to the limit that science puts on things, are you willing to accept these limitations by asking for scientific evidence? The evidence is as vast as the whole universe. The limit is science itself and what science can do or accept.
 
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OdwinOddball said:
present your scientific evidence here,
What would you accept as evidence? What evidence would you supply that you are a real person? What if you told me who your parents were. So I went and did some research. I found out that the people you call your parents lived in a exact place at the exact time you say they lived there. Then you say: Yes, that is the house we grew up in. Now is that enough evidence that I should believe they are your parents? What if they adopted you?

We know that the Hebrew people and the Muslim people both call upon Abraham as their "Father". Now, what does science tell us? Science tells us that indeed all of the Hebrew People and all of the Muslim People have a common ancestor that just happened to live at the same place Abraham was said to have lived and this common ancestor lived there at the same time Abraham was said to have lived there.

Now, can you accept this as evidence that what the Hebrew people and the Muslim people are saing is true? Because science and the Bible agree that they do have a common ancestor that lived at that point in time.
 
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John is it at all possible for you to ever just answer a question straight without dodging and twisting everything to avoid it?

Just put it out there. You have said numerous times that your have scientific evidence for your claims. All we want is for you to actually show us what you claim to have.

No more posts in this thread unless they are evidence and argument for your case.
 
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TheBear said:
Let's get real. You are asking for the impossible.
It is indeed impossible for blind people to see and deaf people to hear. God is patient with people though, and He will continue to try to work in their lives to bring them around to the truth, to set them free from their bondage. Even you, He will continue to work in your life to try to bring you around to a saving knowledge of the truth.
 
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TheBear said:
Let's get real. You are asking for the impossible.
It is indeed impossible for blind people to see and deaf people to hear. God is patient with people though, and He will continue to try to work in their lives to bring them around to the truth, to set them free from their bondage. Even you, He will continue to work in your life to try to bring you around to a saving knowledge of the truth. God does not give up on anyone. They have to decide to turn their back on Him. They have to refuse His love, mercy, grace and forgiveness in their lives. He is ready to rescue, save, heal and deliver. It is up to each and every individual if they accept or reject what God has for them.
 
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Pats said:
Admittedly, I haven't been here long enough to know.
He's right. Usually, it's just the "prove that humans came from rocks!!!!!!"-type questions that get snarky responses, and for good reason.

The threads with a sincere request for evidence for evolution tend to get a great deal of it. Though I can't seem to find it, there was one a couple weeks ago, asking something along the lines of "what's your favorite piece of evidence for evolution?" and received quite a lot of evidence. And also there's the reccuring thread type of "evolution in action" where some new "missing link" is discovered, a speciation event or adaptation is recorded, etc. And also quiet-thread type threads which present evidence for evolution like so.

So really, supporting one's assertions with evidence seems to be a one way street here at crevo. But I could be wrong, maybe a creationist is going to post irrefutable evidence for creationism right after my post.
 
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Dannager said:
So, no evidence then, JohnR7?
I have DNA evidence. All I asked was how much detail do you want. How much are you willing to read? This is a simple question, it is not a difficult question at all. Open your eyes and see, open your ears and hear. God will rescue, save, heal and deliver you from your misery and your debased thinking.
 
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OdwinOddball said:
Lets try again shall we. In fact I think starting a thread like this every time the first goes off topic from lack of Creationist responses might not be such a bad idea.

Creationists, present your scientific evidence here, and explain how this evidence supports your particular flavor of Creationism. Please also notate which theory you subscribe to, Gap,YEC, OEC, etc.

Will any Creationist ever step up and do this?
I doubt it.

I started another thread that no YEC will touch with a ten-foot pole.

http://www.christianforums.com/t3089427-practical-applications-of-yec-creation-science.html
 
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JohnR7 said:
I have DNA evidence. All I asked was how much detail do you want. How much are you willing to read? This is a simple question, it is not a difficult question at all. Open your eyes and see, open your ears and hear. God will rescue, save, heal and deliver you from your misery and your debased thinking.

Put it all, or even just a single piece. Anything. Stop trying to dodge it and just do it.

Evidence and your explanation as to how it supports your case.

Step up to the plate.
 
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JohnR7 said:
We know that the Hebrew people and the Muslim people both call upon Abraham as their "Father". Now, what does science tell us? Science tells us that indeed all of the Hebrew People and all of the Muslim People have a common ancestor that just happened to live at the same place Abraham was said to have lived and this common ancestor lived there at the same time Abraham was said to have lived there.
Okay.
Im not sure how this supports Creationism, Creation Science, Scientific Creationism and/or ID.
All this shows is that certain races had a common ancestor. This does not speak of the creation of the world or universe.
Perhaps you could clarify this "evidence for Abraham" and explain how it adds to the Creationist side of the debate.

JohnR7 said:
Now, can you accept this as evidence that what the Hebrew people and the Muslim people are saing is true? Because science and the Bible agree that they do have a common ancestor that lived at that point in time.
Again, I dont get the actual point of the Creation-side of the debate that this evidence lends credence to. Furthermore, just because some things in the Bible are historically accurate, does not mean that every detail (including the Creation Story) is accurate.


And please, for clarification, could you please explain your belief regarding Creationism, as per the OP, before you continue
OdwinOddball said:
Please also notate which theory you subscribe to, Gap,YEC, OEC, etc.
 
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OdwinOddball said:
Evidence and your explanation as to how it supports your case.
Simple the YAP Gene is able to indicate who is and who is not a decendant of Aaron, in the Bible.

"The news that recent DNA tests have linked India's Bene Israel Jewish community to the patriarch Moses has delighted the small Jewish community in Thane. For hundreds of years, the Bene Israel (meaning Children of Israel), now largely concentrated in and around Thane had fought Western prejudice that denied them their claim as descendants of one of Israel's 12 lost tribes. Now the Jews of Thane, home to 2,000 or 40 per cent of India's Jewry, can hold their head high among the rest of the Jewish community. '...Now science has proved that we are descendants of the Cohanim or hereditary priests. This will improve our status in the Jewish community,' says Ezra Moses, honorary secretary and trustee of Thane's Shaar Hashamaim or Gate of Heaven synagogue.... '...Now the DNA tests have confirmed our claims,' says Rachel Gadkar, a retired schoolteacher who recently published a book in Marathi called 'Bharatiya Bene Israel', that traces the origins of her community.... The current finding that the Bene Israel carry Moses's genes is the result of a research project that started seven years ago.... Sixty-six-year old Phinas Bamnolkar, the hazan or cantor at the Thane synagogue says, 'It was always our claim that we are descendants of Moses. Our claim has now been scientifically proved.'" http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-cohen-levite.html


The title of cohen is paternally inherited. Most Jewish men surnamed Cohen are also cohanim, but so are many men with other surnames. Tradition traces the lineage back to Aaron, the first high priest and Moses' brother, who is said to have lived about 3,300 years ago. Now a genetic study of modern-day cohanim has provided the first scientific evidence supporting the oral tradition of an ancient priestly lineage. Karl Skorecki, a physician who studies the genetics of kidney disease at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, and colleagues in London and the United States realized that they could study the lineage of priests by looking at the Y chromosome, which only men carry. Unlike all other chromosomes in our cells, the Y chromosome, which bears the male sex-determining gene, is passed essentially unchanged from father to son, barring rare mutations.
The researchers extracted dna from cells scraped from the inner cheeks of 188 unrelated, self-identified cohanim from Israel, North America, and Britain. They then looked for the presence or absence of a well-studied small stretch of dna on the Y chromosome called yap. They found that only 1.5 percent of the cohanim in their study carried the yap stretch. In contrast, the yap occurred in 18.5 percent of a group of lay males in the study. Furthermore, the cohanim were much more likely to carry a specific variant of another length of dna found elsewhere on the Y chromosome than their lay counterparts, suggesting that they share a common ancestor who had this genetic signature.
The study also suggests that the ancestor of these cohanim predated the split of the Jewish community into Sephardic Jews, of Spanish and North African descent, and Ashkenazim, who are of German and Eastern European descent. This division occurred between one and two thousand years ago. Only a small percentage of the priests in each group carried the yap dna. By further study of these genetic markers, Skorecki, who is himself a cohen, hopes to construct a biological timetable that will both lead back to the ancestor of the priests and tell us when he lived. "It's like an archeological discovery where you find some manuscript that confirms an ancient oral tradition," he says, "except instead of digging in the dirt, we dug into the genome." http://www.barryland.com/cohanim.html
 
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JohnR7 said:
I have DNA evidence. All I asked was how much detail do you want. How much are you willing to read? This is a simple question, it is not a difficult question at all. Open your eyes and see, open your ears and hear. God will rescue, save, heal and deliver you from your misery and your debased thinking.
Show us all of it, everything you got, no matter how lengthy. We want to read it all.
 
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