Science

[Emz198914]

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?
The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Emma

 

[bethdinsmore]

I believe that the Bible is reliable. I came to that belief by examining Christian Evidences - external proofs of the accuracy of the Bible. If you would like to check them out, here are a couple of sites:

www.tektonics.org and www.probe.org

Aloha in Jesus

 

[HypnoToad]

Science is based on proof

No, actually science is based on philosophical assumptions.

Scientists believe that science provides an accurate understanding of the world. That belief itself can not be tested by the scientific method.

The tools of science can not be proven by science: the laws of logic, the Law of Causality, the reliability of observation, the Principle of Uniformity - none of those can be scientifically experimented on, you have to assume they are true in order to run experiments.

 

[BarbB]

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?
The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Emma

Exactly what has science rubbished? I see that you are a Christian. Are you having trouble with science vs the Bible/God/Jesus?

 

[HypnoToad]

Exactly what has science rubbished? I see that you are a Christian. Are you having trouble with science vs the Bible/God/Jesus?

According to her profile, she's a theistic evolutionist.

 

[whitestar]

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?
The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Emma

Who said the people back then were uneducated? Obviously Moses who wrote the first five books in the bible was not uneducated....he was raised by the Pharaoh's daughter of Egypt. He would have been very well educated actually. Actually I have no problems with science as it proves the bible! God invented 'science' as He created everything. The bible covers the study of stars, gravity, space, the earth rotation, even the under currents in the ocean were first mentioned in the bible long before we discovered it.

http://www.carm.org/issues/science.htm

Do the Bible and Science Disagree?
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Where other cosmologies found in religions have the world on the back of turtles, or the earth being the result of a fight between gods, biblical revelation is quite consistent with science. This is not to say that the Bible is vindicated by science; rather, it is science that is vindicated by the Bible. Consider the following: (note: all quotes are from the NIV)

The Spherical Shape of the Earth - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22).
The Hebrew language did not have a word for "sphere." Circle is quite sufficient.

The Earth is suspended in nothing - "He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7).

The Stars are Innumerable - "He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Genesis 15:5). (at one time we science said we could count the stars! Then they saw deeper into space...lol)

The Existence of Valleys in the Seas - "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Samuel 22:16).

The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas - "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.

The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas - "O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8).

The Hydrologic Cycle - "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job 26:8).

- "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job 36:27-28)
- "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7).
The Concept of Entropy - "In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded" (Psalm 102:25-26).

The Nature of Health, Sanitation, and Sickness - The listing for this section is too large for this page. But the scriptural references are Leviticus chapters 12 through 14.

There is no God but One ​

Christians need to be careful not to let science usurp the place of authority and honor that belongs to God alone. If you are a Christian, you need to keep in mind that God alone is the Lord and that He placed the universe here. We are here for Him, so we might glorify Him and enjoy Him forever (1 Cor. 1:9). There is no God, but one (Isaiah 44:6,8). But. . .
Do you look to science as your hope, your security, and your safety net? Do you go to God only after science has failed you, only after the medicine doesn't work, or only after your comforts are threatened? Is television an idol to which you sacrifice your time and energy? Are the pleasures offered by technology, which is the child of science, the fruit you seek more than God? How much of your dependence upon God has been replaced by your dependence upon things?
Science is the creation of God and God is the Sovereign of all.
Look inside your own heart and see which is on the throne.

God Bless
WhiteStar

 

[CPman2004]

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?
The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Emma

Science would not be as successful without the Christian worldview, and that is history. Science and faith are not polar opposites. Faith requires reason and knowledge, as does science. Science has it's own basic beliefs that cannot be proven by science too. Science has also not rubbished the Bible. Nor was the Bible written by uneducated people (they were educated, just not by modern western view of what education is). Science is not the enemy, but Scientisms. Scientisms are worldviews that disguise themselves as scientific, when they are not. Such as the Natualistic worldview which saids that nothing supernatural can exist. Science in it's very nature cannot prove nor disprove anything in regards to the supernatural. Science deals with the temporal and natural, faith goes beyond that, but needs that foundation. Total relience on science to make things a matter of faith or 'fact' is a faulty postion. Since that veiw is an extremely narrow veiw. So to answer your intial question. No, I do not think science is a threat to Christianity, but rather the scientisms. I for one am going to devote my life to the study of science, and God is the one leading me on that path. Science provides a way to study God's creation, and another way to worship him. Science does not replace faith, but rather science builds faith. In fact I would say that science itself relies on faith in order to work.

 

[Sabra]

Emz198914:

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God? Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist? The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Personally, I don't believe that science is a threat to a faith in God. In fact, science points directly to the existence of God as we discover the complexity and design in nature. Only the willingly ignorant would deny that there has to be a creator. Paul says in Romans 1:20 (GNB) that God's existence can be seen in what He has created:

"Ever since God created the world, His invisible qualities, both His eternal power and His divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all."

The NLT words the same verse like this:

"From the time the world was created, people have seen the Earth and [heavens] and all that God made. They can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God."

In other words, there is so much evidence in nature (and with science continually discovering newer levels of complexity, design, and order) to convince anyone that God exists, so much so that they cannot be justified in saying, "I didn't know." Far from science removing people from God, it should bring them to the conclusion that He exists. As I said before, only the willingly ignorant will state that "there is no God." This is why the Psalmist in Psalms 14:1 tells us that such people are "fools."

It should also be noted that science and "religion" go hand in hand (contrary to what many people claim) - they deal with different areas. Science deals [directly] with events and things now [i.e. in the present] in the physical world and can also somewhat [although limited] deal indirectly with events in the past in the physical world (which often requires many unprovable assumptions or guesses or beliefs, e.g. uniformitarianism). Religion, however, deals with matters relating to spirituality or the spiritual realm. Most religions also deal with the origin of all things - which is an area in which science can't definitively speak with any certainity or authority (because all the evidence and all the experiments occur now, in the present and for them to relate to the past a lot of guesswork is often required). And Christianity is a lived relationship experience with our LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Depending on what claims you're talking about, science has not "rubbished" the Bible. If you're referring to Joshua's long day and stuff like that which supposedly support a geocentric universe, then one must realise that the Bible uses language of appearence; and other verses in the Psalms must be taken as they are - poetical, for the better part not intended to be read literally. They must be read in context. Weather reporters also use this language of appearence when talking about sunrise and sunset - the sun doesn't actually rise and set. It is in fact, the Earth rotating and moving around the sun that causes these - not the sun moving around the Earth!

Those who claim that science has "disproven" the Bible do so in ignorance. They have a false understanding of what science is and it's applications and limits. Such people are often mockers who cannot prove their case when challenged, yet continue to spout their message anyway.

Sabra.

 

[Naomi4Christ]

Science deals with the physical world; faith deals with the spiritual world. There doesn't have to be a conflict.

Science can answer the 'how' questions, but not the 'why' questions of life.

 

[wblastyn]

The Spherical Shape of the Earth - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22).
The Hebrew language did not have a word for "sphere." Circle is quite sufficient.

A circle is flat.

The Earth is suspended in nothing

- "He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7).

Anyone can look at the sky at night and see there's nothingness (except for stars). You don't need science or God to tell you that.

The Stars are Innumerable

- "He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Genesis 15:5). (

at one time we science said we could count the stars! Then they saw deeper into space...lol)

See above.

The Existence of Valleys in the Seas

- "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Samuel 22:16).

You don't need God to tell you there are chasms under the sea.

The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas

- "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.

They could see flood waters rushing forth, so they just assumed something in there caused that to happen.

The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas

- "O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8).

Getting ocean currents from "paths of the sea" is a bit of a stretch. It just refers to the sea being a path for fish.

The Hydrologic Cycle

- "He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job 26:8).

- "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind" (Job 36:27-28)
- "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again (Ecclesiastes 1:6-7).

Rain comes when clouds are over head, hence rain comes from clouds. You don't need divine revelation to tell you that.

[quotes]The Concept of Entropy - "In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded" (Psalm 102:25-26). [/quote]
Well they could see people, plants and animals eventually die, so they assumed everything else would.

The Nature of Health, Sanitation, and Sickness

- The listing for this section is too large for this page. But the scriptural references are Leviticus chapters 12 through 14.

They could see for themselves that doing certain things leads to sickness or death, therefore, they didn't do them.

 

[Redneck Crow]

I don't see science as a threat. I have often suspected that some Christians (not all) who disparage science do so because their faith is so weak that anything which contradicts what they believe frightens them.

Faith shouldn't be about whether the Genesis creation account is literal or not, which is where most of the science/religion clash seems to occur. Faith should be in Christ as Savior. He asked us to have faith in Him, not in a literal vs allegorical interpretation of Genesis.

 

[Key]

Whitestar Great Posting!


Very Good points all ! God Bless. Keep the Faith Strong

The part that amazes me, is that this is awful response.

wblastyn]

[/color]The Spherical Shape of the Earth - "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22).
The Hebrew language did not have a word for "sphere." Circle is quite sufficient.

A circle is flat.

Ok now this is a tricky part. Let me explain it to you again Wblastyn.

Hebrew had no word for Sphere, as such word “Circle” was acceptable to mean the same as sphere, when used in context as to talk of a 3D object, Like a planet.

I see that from your post you missed that, although it was stated, I just wanted to make sure that it was restated, in case in your hurry to seek to respond, you were not paying attention to that fact.

The Earth is suspended in nothing - "He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7).

Anyone can look at the sky at night and see there's nothingness (except for stars). You don't need science or God to tell you that.

Now I know this is hard to grasp, but relating to the above, the Hebrews, Unlike many other people, believed the world a Sphere, as such, it was suspended by nothing. Many other cultures believed that the world was supported from “Below”, by either a “God” or some kind support, and that there was a “reality” below the earth.

Example: When Hercules took the weight of the world on his shoulders. This implying the world was “Supported” as opposed to the Hebrew outlook that the world just floated.


I take it, that the whole Columbus falling off the edge of the earth was not taught to you?

Well anyway, many people of this era, did not realize the ‘Earth’ was not “Supported” from underneath, so to be “Floating in Nothing” was not only against the minds of many, it is still a hard concept to grasp, and even so relate to people that had no concept that they were not the only the “Planet” in the universe.

The Stars are Innumerable - "He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be" (Genesis 15:5). (at one time we science said we could count the stars! Then they saw deeper into space...lol)

See above.

Now I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but many people believed that there were only a set number of starts in the sky, because that is all that they saw. The idea that there were starts “beneath” them was unheard of, or stars beyond their normal sight, was likewise unheard of. After all remember they did not have telescopes back then.

It seems from your responses you have this idea that the Bible was written yesterday, by people possessing the technology that we currently have. And this book was written 3 thousand years ago, before indoor plumbing, computers, even electricity, oxygen tanks, welding supplies, or many of the things we just accept that we have.


I suspect this because.

The Existence of Valleys in the Seas - "The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils" (2 Samuel 22:16).

You don't need God to tell you there are chasms under the sea.

It seems that you have this idea that Moses possessed a submarine, or deep sea diving gear to find out this information, as he would have to travel out into the ocean and check the fault lines to see these chasms. When in reality they did not have goggles or even snorkels back then.

So, as sad as this sounds, this truly embarrassing display of rebuttal against what Whitestar has laid out, has shown what very little schooling you have obtained on this subject. It seems you are suffering delusions regarding what the people in the era the bible was written possessed as “Common Knowledge”


As such, it has been a truly laughable display of ineptitude regarding your rebuttal.

I would respond to all of it, but truth be told, it really not worth it. I can see you want to just no accept was said, and if you want to do that, you can, you can choose to learn what ever it is you want to learn. But the responses you gave, in the future, do some research before you open your “fingers” and show that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Whitestar, God Bless you, and everyone else that has given great Answers.

Regarding Science and Christianity, it was the Christian Church that founded Science as we know it today. All that Science is, or shall ever become shall stem from the Gifts that God has given us. There are some religions and beliefs that are anti science, But Christianity is not one of them. There are some Christians that are Anti-Science but Jesus and His apostles were not among them.

God Bless

[font=&quot]Key.[/font]

 

[drstevej]

Got a degree in engineering (Ga Tech) and two in theology.

Science is a moving target.
Read a few science text books that are 10, 30, 50, 100, 500 years old.

So I do not expect science and Christian theology to fully agree.



“In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God’s existence.” -- Sir Isaac Newton

 

[calidog]

given enough time, science will agree with the existence of God.

 

[ISeeClearly]

given enough time, science will agree with the existence of God.

Amen to that

 

[BalaamsAss51]

Hello Emz198914.

Thought I'd respond to you science question on this thread.

Some thoughts from “The Twilight of Atheism” by Alister McGrath.



The emergence of the intellectual as a recognized social type is one of the most remarkable developments of recent centuries. Intellectuals became a secular priesthood, unfettered by the dogmas of the religious past, addressing a growing audience who were becoming increasingly impatient with the moral failures and cultural unsophistication of their clergy. Western society came to believe that it should look elsewhere than to its clergy for guidance.



One of the most remarkable developments of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries has been the relentless advance of the perception that there exists a permanent, essential conflict between the natural sciences and religion. Two historical vignettes have been widely cited in the popular literature as illustrating this religious obscurantism: John Calvin’s criticism of the heliocentric ideas of Copernicus and Bishop Wilberforce’s dismissal of the Darwinian ideas of T. H. Huxley. Both are myths. Calvin never stated anything even remotely resembling the words or thoughts attributed to him. The Wilberforce story is a journalistic invention from thirty years later. Darwin actually granted that what Wilberforce wrote was “uncommonly clever” and that it pointed out “with skill all the most conjectural parts” of Darwin’s book.



Three major aspects of the growing cultural acceptance of the sciences - 1. The belief that the natural sciences are Promethean figures of liberation from bondage to a superstitious and oppressive past. 2. The belief that the natural sciences conclusively prove all their theories, in contrast to the religious retreat into irrationality and mystery in the face of the evidence. 3. The pervasive notion that the Darwinian theory of evolution has made belief in God impossible, thus necessitating atheism on scientific grounds.



Today - Science can work only with naturalistic explaination; it can neither affirm nor deny the existence of God. The natural sciences may lead some away from God and others to God. But to say that they must do one or the other is to move beyond the legitimate scope of the scientific method and to smuggle in religious or antireligious claims under a pseudo-scientific smokescreen.

Now, my own thoughts to your questions.
Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
No, on the contrary science better watch out!

Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting.

Please, theory is not fact. Theories change almost on a day to day bases. Most of the stuff I was taught in school is thought to be worthless today.

Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?

Name one claim that has been rubbished. How could I consider that God might not exist - there is no way for what exists today to have come about no matter how much time you give it.

The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Uneducated? Why? Because they didn't know about computers? If we put you out in the wilderness you'd be dead in a week. Seems to me that any reasonable and likely stories that scientists have come up with over the years turns out to be far from what other reasonable and likely stories that scientists from a later date come up with. God's Word doesn't change.

Luv ya. Pax

 

[Key]

Hello Emz198914.

Thought I'd respond to you science question on this thread.

Some thoughts from “The Twilight of Atheism” by Alister McGrath.



The emergence of the intellectual as a recognized social type is one of the most remarkable developments of recent centuries. Intellectuals became a secular priesthood, unfettered by the dogmas of the religious past, addressing a growing audience who were becoming increasingly impatient with the moral failures and cultural unsophistication of their clergy. Western society came to believe that it should look elsewhere than to its clergy for guidance.



One of the most remarkable developments of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries has been the relentless advance of the perception that there exists a permanent, essential conflict between the natural sciences and religion. Two historical vignettes have been widely cited in the popular literature as illustrating this religious obscurantism: John Calvin’s criticism of the heliocentric ideas of Copernicus and Bishop Wilberforce’s dismissal of the Darwinian ideas of T. H. Huxley. Both are myths. Calvin never stated anything even remotely resembling the words or thoughts attributed to him. The Wilberforce story is a journalistic invention from thirty years later. Darwin actually granted that what Wilberforce wrote was “uncommonly clever” and that it pointed out “with skill all the most conjectural parts” of Darwin’s book.



Three major aspects of the growing cultural acceptance of the sciences - 1. The belief that the natural sciences are Promethean figures of liberation from bondage to a superstitious and oppressive past. 2. The belief that the natural sciences conclusively prove all their theories, in contrast to the religious retreat into irrationality and mystery in the face of the evidence. 3. The pervasive notion that the Darwinian theory of evolution has made belief in God impossible, thus necessitating atheism on scientific grounds.



Today - Science can work only with naturalistic explaination; it can neither affirm nor deny the existence of God. The natural sciences may lead some away from God and others to God. But to say that they must do one or the other is to move beyond the legitimate scope of the scientific method and to smuggle in religious or antireligious claims under a pseudo-scientific smokescreen.

Now, my own thoughts to your questions.
Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
No, on the contrary science better watch out!

Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting.

Please, theory is not fact. Theories change almost on a day to day bases. Most of the stuff I was taught in school is thought to be worthless today.

Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?

Name one claim that has been rubbished. How could I consider that God might not exist - there is no way for what exists today to have come about no matter how much time you give it.

The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Uneducated? Why? Because they didn't know about computers? If we put you out in the wilderness you'd be dead in a week. Seems to me that any reasonable and likely stories that scientists have come up with over the years turns out to be far from what other reasonable and likely stories that scientists from a later date come up with. God's Word doesn't change.

Luv ya. Pax

Great Post, But you need to fix your trext stules so that it is easier to seperate yur responces. from the Inquries.

Great Post..

Truly Great Post!

God Bless
Key.

 

[whitestar]

Whitestar Great Posting!


Very Good points all ! God Bless. Keep the Faith Strong

The part that amazes me, is that this is awful response.

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Ok now this is a tricky part. Let me explain it to you again Wblastyn.

Hebrew had no word for Sphere, as such word “Circle” was acceptable to mean the same as sphere, when used in context as to talk of a 3D object, Like a planet.

I see that from your post you missed that, although it was stated, I just wanted to make sure that it was restated, in case in your hurry to seek to respond, you were not paying attention to that fact.

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Now I know this is hard to grasp, but relating to the above, the Hebrews, Unlike many other people, believed the world a Sphere, as such, it was suspended by nothing. Many other cultures believed that the world was supported from “Below”, by either a “God” or some kind support, and that there was a “reality” below the earth.

Example: When Hercules took the weight of the world on his shoulders. This implying the world was “Supported” as opposed to the Hebrew outlook that the world just floated.


I take it, that the whole Columbus falling off the edge of the earth was not taught to you?

Well anyway, many people of this era, did not realize the ‘Earth’ was not “Supported” from underneath, so to be “Floating in Nothing” was not only against the minds of many, it is still a hard concept to grasp, and even so relate to people that had no concept that they were not the only the “Planet” in the universe.


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Now I know this might be hard for you to grasp, but many people believed that there were only a set number of starts in the sky, because that is all that they saw. The idea that there were starts “beneath” them was unheard of, or stars beyond their normal sight, was likewise unheard of. After all remember they did not have telescopes back then.

It seems from your responses you have this idea that the Bible was written yesterday, by people possessing the technology that we currently have. And this book was written 3 thousand years ago, before indoor plumbing, computers, even electricity, oxygen tanks, welding supplies, or many of the things we just accept that we have.


I suspect this because.

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It seems that you have this idea that Moses possessed a submarine, or deep sea diving gear to find out this information, as he would have to travel out into the ocean and check the fault lines to see these chasms. When in reality they did not have goggles or even snorkels back then.

So, as sad as this sounds, this truly embarrassing display of rebuttal against what Whitestar has laid out, has shown what very little schooling you have obtained on this subject. It seems you are suffering delusions regarding what the people in the era the bible was written possessed as “Common Knowledge”


As such, it has been a truly laughable display of ineptitude regarding your rebuttal.

I would respond to all of it, but truth be told, it really not worth it. I can see you want to just no accept was said, and if you want to do that, you can, you can choose to learn what ever it is you want to learn. But the responses you gave, in the future, do some research before you open your “fingers” and show that you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Whitestar, God Bless you, and everyone else that has given great Answers.

Regarding Science and Christianity, it was the Christian Church that founded Science as we know it today. All that Science is, or shall ever become shall stem from the Gifts that God has given us. There are some religions and beliefs that are anti science, But Christianity is not one of them. There are some Christians that are Anti-Science but Jesus and His apostles were not among them.

God Bless

[font=&quot]Key.[/font]

Hey thanks and what an awesome rebuttal..what is more amazing is that Noah didn't write about the flood...Moses did. Figure that one out...

Thanks for your kind words. As I said, science is just now catching up with the bible.

God bless
WhiteStar

 

[thepianist]

Do you see science as a threat to your faith in God?
Science is based on proof whereas religion is all about believing and trusting. Does that fact that science has rubbished many of the Bible's claims not make any of you consider that God might not exist?
The Bible was written by uneducated people over 2000years ago, any reason and likely story to explain their existence would have been acceptable to them...can we really say that for today with the advances and !!proof!! that science teaches us!

Emma

Hello, Emma....guess all that I can say is that I have no problem with my belief in the Bible.....because I believe it IS the Word of God. Science doesn't interest me in the least - man makes mistake after mistake....God doesn't.

 

[QuietTempest]

I had a question that sort of falls in line with this one, so rather than start a new thread, I thought (if it's okay?), I'd tag my question on with the original posted question:


I've heard similar arguments like this in which the Christians stated that knowledge was wicked and brought to us via Satan to confound the believers. Many of them citing dinosaur fossils as being "planted" by Satan to confuse Christians..?

For any of you who do feel that science threatens faith/religion, do you feel this way? Do you think that science/knowledge is a vice of Satan to corrupt believers?