Science proves the Bible wrong!

[HitchSlap]

Thunderf00t uses science to demonstrate that stopping the rotation of the earth would have left evidence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-hGFMBpbI&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A&index=2&feature=plpp_video

"If you can justify this as good, is there anything left to call evil?"

 

[keith99]

Problem is the Bible only says what was observed, not what happened.

One would assume that if the Earth stopped spinning that this would be noticed elsewhere. But there is nothing even remotely close noted in China or Japan that I know of, and these were societies that did have writing at the time.

So it seems far more reasonable to conclude this was a local time distortion. As such something we do not even begin to understand.

While personally I doubt this occured I'm not goingot jump to deciding that what is claimed is wrong based on postulating what must have happened.

 

[chilehed]

Oh, I get it: an omnipotent and omniscient being who could stop the motion of the earth wouldn't be able to stop everything on the surface at the same time? And everything such a being does will by definition make sense to us?

THAT's a good argument...BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

 

[HitchSlap]

Oh, I get it: an omnipotent and omniscient being who could stop the motion of the earth wouldn't be able to stop everything on the surface at the same time? And everything such a being does will by definition make sense to us?

THAT's a good argument...BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

I get it, he did something that would leave untold evidence of a physical nature, but only told the author of Joshua about it.

BTW, it's an logical contradiction for a being to be both omnipotent and omniscient at the same time.

 

[chilehed]

I get it, he did something that would leave untold evidence of a physical nature, but only told the author of Joshua about it.

BTW, it's an logical contradiction for a being to be both omnipotent and omniscient at the same time.

BWAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!



What a load....

 

[Shemjaza]

Oh, I get it: an omnipotent and omniscient being who could stop the motion of the earth wouldn't be able to stop everything on the surface at the same time? And everything such a being does will by definition make sense to us?

THAT's a good argument...BWAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

I agree. An Omnipotent being can do anything it wants to... maybe God messed with time for the people in that valley, it ultimately doesn't matter.

I am curious how you deal with the moral consequences of the situation, rather then the scientific ones?

 

[Jamin4422]

Thunderf00t uses science to demonstrate that stopping the rotation of the earth would have left evidence.

That sounds like a strawman from start to finish. Where does the Bible talk about "the rotation of the earth"?
Usually that sort of stuff means their shadow clock was acting funny that day.

 

[TheBear]

Where does the Bible talk about "the rotation of the earth"?

It doesn't.

The reason is - back then they had no idea how that all worked. They honestly believed the sun revolved around the earth.

 

[HitchSlap]

Where does the Bible talk about "the rotation of the earth"?

Nowhere.

 

[AV1611VET]

One would assume that if the Earth stopped spinning that this would be noticed elsewhere.

Who said it wasn't?

But there is nothing even remotely close noted in China or Japan that I know of, and these were societies that did have writing at the time.

Then keep looking.

Just walk right over there and ask to see their records from one single day in B.C. 1451.

You may just luck out and not get ejected from the premises; and if they do let you in to study their records, good luck finding B.C. 1451 from a country that labeled time differently.

 

[someguy14]

Science proves the Bible wrong!

Only a false "science" would claim that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Only a false "science" would claim that.

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

 

[Smidlee]

It doesn't.

The reason is - back then they had no idea how that all worked. They honestly believed the sun revolved around the earth.

How do you know what they believed. thus you believe that they believe......
No doubt people back then had different ideas and disagreed as much as we do today.

The book of Joshua is speaking in "the eye of the beholder". He is describing an event from his eyes. There is another example of the sundial going backwards but only for Hezekiah eyes.

 

[Tatian]

Why is omniscience and omnipotence a contradiction for you?

Also, I know this is already been said, but the bible is using observational language. The observers are describing what they see and so that is what is being described, much as we may describe the sun dipping into the sea at sun set. Of course, at this time, they really did believe the sun revolved around the earth, so it makes the case all the more certain that they were describing what they saw.

Additionally, there is no conflict to say that the people at this time observed a phenomenon that they described as such.

 

[TheBear]

How do you know what they believed. thus you believe that they believe......
No doubt people back then had different ideas and disagreed as much as we do today.

Most people these days agree that the earth revolves around the sun. That wasn't the case a few thousand years ago. The heliocentric model wasn't even thought of until the 16th century.

The book of Joshua is speaking in "the eye of the beholder". He is describing an event from his eyes. There is another example of the sundial going backwards but only for Hezekiah eyes.

Wouldn't every civilization on the planet notice such an event? Also, since we know that the earth spins on an axis at about 1,000 miles per hour, how quickly did God take it from there, to full stop? Was it instantly or gradually?

 

[Tatian]

"How do you know what they believed. thus you believe that they believe......
No doubt people back then had different ideas and disagreed as much as we do today."

If you survey the scriptures, you get a firm idea that the earth is the center of their understanding of the cosmos.

Wouldn't every civilization on the planet notice such an event? Also, since we know that the earth spins on an axis at about 1,000 miles per hour, how quickly did God take it from there, to full stop? Was it instantly or gradually?

We may not ever know what the event actually was sense the bible is using descriptive language, so how are we to make a judgment that other cultures should or should not have noticed the event?

 

[DaneaFL]

So it seems far more reasonable to conclude this was a local time distortion. As such something we do not even begin to understand.

Well since we are on this being reasonable kick, might I suggest an even more likely conclusion: IT'S JUST A STORY!

 

[HitchSlap]

An Omnipotent being who can't overcome the Devil, who chooses to allow children to starve.

But he loves us

Are you the ghost of George Carlin?

 

[Tatian]

Well since we are on this being reasonable kick, might I suggest an even more likely conclusion: IT'S JUST A STORY!

Why is that more likely than saying something happened that the writers were using descriptive language to explain?

 

[RickG]

Looking beyond the sun and earth part of the video and focusing on the latter part of it where killing of children was discussed, reminds me of a discussion I had a few years ago on myspace when they still had forums, concerning God telling Abraham to sacrifice his son.

The question came up, would I sacrifice one of my children if God told me to. I said no I would not. The person I was having the discussion with just could not believe my response that I would disobey a direct command from God. I went on to explain that I would tell God that he could do with me what ever he wanted but I would not harm my child. I didn't look at it as disobeying God, rather I was letting God know that my child's life was more important to me than my own.