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<blockquote data-quote="TagliatelliMonster" data-source="post: 71289597" data-attributes="member: 391173"><p>No. It's the name that Joe's parents chose and filed on the birth certificate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only because a person's name is a <em>false analogy</em> for traditional scientific investigation of the natural world. A person's name is not a phenomena in reality that requires any explaining.</p><p></p><p>It's just a label.</p><p>If Joe changes his name to Bart, then reality remains <em>the exact same</em>.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And it wouldn't tell you anything, because it would just be the dude's memory.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What is odd, is why you would think that. The point is about how to find out what a person's name really is, no?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I call people whatever they want me to call them, and I don't care at all if the label that they wear in public is not the same as the one written on their birth certificate.</p><p></p><p>I thought the point was about how to find out what a person's real name is.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps this is a good time for you to explain why we are talking about people's names and how it relates to scientific investigation?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Off course... It is implied by the word "knowledge". </p><p>A rock doesn't have "knowledge"... A rock can't "know" things.</p><p>Something capable of <em>knowing</em> things must necessarily exist, before it can have knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well... something must be there, capable of "knowing" </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ow, no, I definatly know it.</p><p>It's nothing short of a fact.</p><p>A world renown physicist knows more about physics then I do. Yep, sounds about right.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Aha! No, not really.... See, there is some other thing that I DO understand... It's called science and how it leads to technology.</p><p></p><p>I know that it most definatly isn't "complete nonsense". The fact alone that I'm typing this message on this online board (considering <em><strong>all</strong> engineering and physics</em>) is actually already enough to demonstrate that it can't be "complete nonsense". </p><p></p><p>As I so often say, we can know that atomic theory is pretty accurate, because nukes explode. We can know that relativity is pretty accurate, because GPS works.</p><p>Etc</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And any other human could train his body to accomplish the exact same thing.</p><p>What I meant is that there isn't anything fundamentally different about an engineer's physiology as opposed to any other random human.</p><p></p><p>Some people will be better at certain things then others, sure.</p><p>But as I said with the "knowledge" thingy, overall it evens out.</p><p></p><p>There are no "super humans".</p><p>There are no X-men (yet? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not sure what that means.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TagliatelliMonster, post: 71289597, member: 391173"] No. It's the name that Joe's parents chose and filed on the birth certificate. Only because a person's name is a [I]false analogy[/I] for traditional scientific investigation of the natural world. A person's name is not a phenomena in reality that requires any explaining. It's just a label. If Joe changes his name to Bart, then reality remains [I]the exact same[/I]. And it wouldn't tell you anything, because it would just be the dude's memory. So? What is odd, is why you would think that. The point is about how to find out what a person's name really is, no? I call people whatever they want me to call them, and I don't care at all if the label that they wear in public is not the same as the one written on their birth certificate. I thought the point was about how to find out what a person's real name is. Perhaps this is a good time for you to explain why we are talking about people's names and how it relates to scientific investigation? Off course... It is implied by the word "knowledge". A rock doesn't have "knowledge"... A rock can't "know" things. Something capable of [I]knowing[/I] things must necessarily exist, before it can have knowledge. Well... something must be there, capable of "knowing" Ow, no, I definatly know it. It's nothing short of a fact. A world renown physicist knows more about physics then I do. Yep, sounds about right. Aha! No, not really.... See, there is some other thing that I DO understand... It's called science and how it leads to technology. I know that it most definatly isn't "complete nonsense". The fact alone that I'm typing this message on this online board (considering [I][B]all[/B] engineering and physics[/I]) is actually already enough to demonstrate that it can't be "complete nonsense". As I so often say, we can know that atomic theory is pretty accurate, because nukes explode. We can know that relativity is pretty accurate, because GPS works. Etc And any other human could train his body to accomplish the exact same thing. What I meant is that there isn't anything fundamentally different about an engineer's physiology as opposed to any other random human. Some people will be better at certain things then others, sure. But as I said with the "knowledge" thingy, overall it evens out. There are no "super humans". There are no X-men (yet? :P) Not sure what that means. [/QUOTE]
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