Science has found God!!

[Quantumtheologica1]

Science has found God but they are trying to hide it.

Science has found God. The time independent observer of the universe.

The observer can't be measured or defined. The observer can't be explained and these are the same things people say about God.

The way they try to hide this is through things like parallel universes. So, the observer is not making the choice and measuring their enviroment, but the universe is making the choice for them. So if you flip a coin and it lands on heads in one universe, it's because in a parallel universe another version of you flipped a coin and it landed on tails. So the universes govern what you observe.

I remember reading David Deutsch's book, The Fabric of Reality. He really pushes parallel universes and one of the reasons is, the observer. He said parallel universes takes power away from the observer and that's one of the reasons he likes it. You can describe a universe but you can't describe an observer.

Just like the Bible says, the Spirit of God is within us. We are time-dependent observers connected to the time-independent obsever. Ye are gods.

This is not trying to define God, because God can't be described just like the observer.

 

[Holy Roller]

Lol, time-space independence is a construct of special and general relativity, quantumtheological1.
These absurd 'parallel Universe' hypotheses are just poppycock from bored physics students at Cal Tech; they are the meaningless endeavors of G-dless people trying to explain how there can be a cause to the effect of existence (in other words, existence is us and everything around us; namely, the known universe. If the Universe and existence is the effect, what, pray tell, is the cause? Surely there is a cause to an effect, right?). Don't put much faith in these funny hypotheses...

 

[The Nihilist]

You say science has found God, who is the time-independent observer of the universe, but that the observer can't be defined or measured. What, then, do you imagine it is that they found?

 

[Blayz]

If only we were better at the hiding part, perhaps there would be less people like you, and less posts like this.

 

[Blackrend]

Source please.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

This is silly. i feel the presence of God when i study science but by no means shall i ever claim that science shows or proves God. i will never and can never.

 

[Quantumtheologica1]

You say science has found God, who is the time-independent observer of the universe, but that the observer can't be defined or measured. What, then, do you imagine it is that they found?

Some people call Him the Wave Function of the Universe, the collective unconscious, Awareness, Quantum computer, Zero pint energy, non-locality and more. Science has all these names for God just like different religions.

This is God. This is the Infinite.

Schrodinger's equation even points this out.

Schrodinger's equation describes time-independent wave of possibilities (God).

It also describes a time-dependent particle traveling through 3-dimensional space (Man).

This is called wave-particle duality or as I call it, God-Man duality.

This is Schrodinger's cat. The wave is both possibilities and the particle is in one state as seen by the observer. The wave and the particle are connected just like God and Man.

 

[sbvera13]

So what you're saying is that:

God can't be seen.

God can't be heard.

God can't be measured in any way.

Thus, God can't affect the universe in any way. (If he/it could, it could be measured and would thus be observable).

So much for the bible. Since that would require, you know, interacting with the universe and stuff. And prayer. And miracles. And Jesus. And creation. And so on. All bogus because god is a time-independent observer and thus unobservable.

The difference between this, and God not existing at all, is what, exactly?

 

[Quantumtheologica1]

So what you're saying is that:

God can't be seen.

God can't be heard.

God can't be measured in any way.

Thus, God can't affect the universe in any way. (If he/it could, it could be measured and would thus be observable).

So much for the bible. Since that would require, you know, interacting with the universe and stuff. And prayer. And miracles. And Jesus. And creation. And so on. All bogus because god is a time-independent observer and thus unobservable.

The difference between this, and God not existing at all, is what, exactly?

Did you hear when I said that ye are gods? If you are observing the universe then God is observing the universe because the Spirit of God is within you.

I think the problem is, we think of God as out there. God and Man are the same. There's no existence without God. God is within us and He observes the universe through us.

We are seeing a 3-dimensional version of the Infinite. An infinity within an infinity.

It's like a puzzle. You have the whole picture and when you shake the puzzle the pieces get scattered but all the pieces remain connected because they make up the whole.

There's a 3rd part to this that I will discuss at a later date.

 

[Washington]

Science has found God but they are trying to hide it.

Science has found God. The time independent observer of the universe.

The observer can't be measured or defined. The observer can't be explained and these are the same things people say about God.

The way they try to hide this is through things like parallel universes. So, the observer is not making the choice and measuring their enviroment, but the universe is making the choice for them. So if you flip a coin and it lands on heads in one universe, it's because in a parallel universe another version of you flipped a coin and it landed on tails. So the universes govern what you observe.

I remember reading David Deutsch's book, The Fabric of Reality. He really pushes parallel universes and one of the reasons is, the observer. He said parallel universes takes power away from the observer and that's one of the reasons he likes it. You can describe a universe but you can't describe an observer.

Just like the Bible says, the Spirit of God is within us. We are time-dependent observers connected to the time-independent obsever. Ye are gods.

This is not trying to define God, because God can't be described just like the observer.

Chuckle, chuckle!

 

[ScMay]

Schrodinger's equation describes time-independent wave of possibilities (God).

It also describes a time-dependent particle traveling through 3-dimensional space (Man).

This is called wave-particle duality or as I call it, God-Man duality.

This is Schrodinger's cat. The wave is both possibilities and the particle is in one state as seen by the observer. The wave and the particle are connected just like God and Man.

 

[Cabal]

Goodness, this is like what would happen if Fritjof Capra and Kent Hovind had a baby....

Edit: And godfathered by Frank Tipler!!!!!1111

 

[The Nihilist]

Some people call Him the Wave Function of the Universe, the collective unconscious, Awareness, Quantum computer, Zero pint energy, non-locality and more. Science has all these names for God just like different religions.

This is God. This is the Infinite.

Schrodinger's equation even points this out.

Schrodinger's equation describes time-independent wave of possibilities (God).

It also describes a time-dependent particle traveling through 3-dimensional space (Man).

This is called wave-particle duality or as I call it, God-Man duality.

This is Schrodinger's cat. The wave is both possibilities and the particle is in one state as seen by the observer. The wave and the particle are connected just like God and Man.

This thread would be so much better if you could differentiate between metaphor and science

 

[Quantumtheologica1]

This thread would be so much better if you could differentiate between metaphor and science

It's not a metaphor, it's science.

All you have to do is look over Schrodinger's equation or the Copenhagen Interpretation. Look at the Double Slit experiment or the uncertainty principle. Look at Planck's Constant.

All these things say the same thing. That reality at it's base level is infinite potential and we are observing this potential in 3-dimensional space.

When you get up in the morning infinite potential is in front of you. Just look at going to work.

Maybe you will call off
Maybe you will only work half a day
Maybe you will work overtime
Maybe you will get fired
Maybe you will meet your future wife
Maybe you will take the highway
Maybe the highway will be congested.

I can go on and on. The observer makes a choice and creates reality. Maybe the observer chooses to go to work and he meets his future wife. If he would have chosen to call off work then he would be on a different path. This is E=MC2.

You have Oneness in the universe as shown by things like non-locality, entanglement and zero-point energy.

Religion and science give this Oneness different names. We are parts of an interconnected whole.

 

[Cabal]

To all quantum mysticists:

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

All you have to do is look over Schrodinger's equation or the Copenhagen Interpretation. Look at the Double Slit experiment or the uncertainty principle. Look at Planck's Constant.

You forgot De Broglie hypothesis, wouldn't want that to be left out considering your just typing out terms related to QM and hoping it sounds impressive.

 

[Cabal]

You forgot De Broglie hypothesis, wouldn't want that to be left out considering your just typing out terms related to QM and hoping it sounds impressive.

"Creation and annihilation operators" sounds much more awesome.

LOL I ARE CAN CREATE AND ANNIHILATE STUFF

 

[atomweaver]

It's not a metaphor, it's science.

All you have to do is look over Schrodinger's equation or the Copenhagen Interpretation. Look at the Double Slit experiment or the uncertainty principle. Look at Planck's Constant.

All these things say the same thing. That reality at it's base level is infinite potential and we are observing this potential in 3-dimensional space.

When you get up in the morning infinite potential is in front of you. Just look at going to work.

Maybe you will call off
Maybe you will only work half a day
Maybe you will work overtime
Maybe you will get fired
Maybe you will meet your future wife
Maybe you will take the highway
Maybe the highway will be congested.

"And you may ask yourself
Where does that highway go?
And you may ask yourself
Am I right? ...am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
My god!...what have I done? "*


You've mangled science and theology in one go, that's what you've done.



* Talking Heads, "Once in a Lifetime"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYbUCvz1LYE

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

Hamiltonian operator? that sounds kinda posh. Then again that's bound up in the Schroedinger equation so It might just be redundant.

"Wavepackets" sound fun.

 

[sbvera13]

Option 1:
E=MC^2

is equivalent to:

Energy=Mass(Speed of Light)^2

or Option 2:

The observer makes a choice and creates reality. Maybe the observer chooses to go to work and he meets his future wife. If he would have chosen to call off work then he would be on a different path. This is E=MC2.

I wonder which one is closer to actual science.

If it wasn't obvious before (and it was) this shows that what you're doing is taking random scientific terms and sticking them into your theology like lillies in a funeral arrangement. The terms you are talking about have nothing to do with what you are trying to say.