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Science can't rule out the existence of God

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There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.

Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis. Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe. Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe, but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam
 

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All scientific knowledge is tentative and provisional. Nothing is ever 'ruled out', but things are 'ruled in' if observation and experiment support them.

So science, by definition, could never rule out the existence of God.
 
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There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.

Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis. Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe. Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe, but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam

I think you're rationalizing in an attempt to cling to your religious beliefs.
 
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There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.
I understand "life" to be a process breathing, consuming, excreting, and being subject to entropy. What do you mean by "afterlife"?
Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis.
Do you need for virtually all of mainstream science to be wrong for your beliefs to be right?
Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe.
Or if that is even a valid question.
Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.
If it happened, the odds are 1.
My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe,
I do vaguely recall my parents telling me of babies being delivered by storks. Here's more info:
  1. Scientific storkism, like its close relative, scientific creationism, may be verified by demonstrating that somehow, somewhere, there is something wrong with reproductive biology. If there is something wrong with reproductive biology, scientific storkism must be true.
    [*]One argument for Intelligent Delivery is that there are Irreducibly complex features of living things, which therefore could not come about by gradual, random, reproductive processes, and therefore must have been intelligently delivered.
    [*]Another argument is that, for reproduction to work, the male cannot have been reproduced before the female, nor the female before the male.
    [*]Then there is the argument that Intelligent Delivery must be true because the alternative, Reproductive Biology is self-defeating. If we come about by a naturalistic process of reproduction, then how can we trust our knowledge? If we are the result of reproduction, then our knowledge of that fact is unreliable. Therefore, we must be designed. After all, if we are designed, then obviously our knowledge is reliable, because aren't all designed things reliable?
    [*]Studies have shown a significant correlation between the number of storks and the number of child deliveries in a given area, offering strong empirical support for Intelligent Delivery.
    [*]Further, it is argued that at least one counterexample exists, falsifying the other theory.

Innovation

A recent innovation in storkism is Intelligent Delivery, availing the Big Top strategy, which encompasses other beliefs about where babies come from, such as the Cabbage Patch Theory. Intelligent Delivery does not concern itself with controversies among the opponents of reproductive biology and does not decide for The Stork as being the Intelligent Deliverer.

At least, to be fair, the schools should give equal time to Intelligent Delivery, and let the kids decide which makes sense.


Scientific storkism - RationalWiki
but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.
Solipsism fails, as in it doesn't matter if what I am experiencing is virtual or imagined; if the the reality I perceive is persistent and consistent, and can be experimented on with predictable results, it is indistinguishable from reality.
So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam
What do you mean by "God"? Is that the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing?
 
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There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.

Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis. Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe. Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe, but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam

Just be aware of how some atheistic minded people will desperately try to convince you that God is the wrong answer. Hopefully being mindful of that fact will help you think clearly and not be deceived into believing something false.

Openmindedness to truth, no matter what that truth is, is a very good mindset to have.
 
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All scientific knowledge is tentative and provisional. Nothing is ever 'ruled out', but things are 'ruled in' if observation and experiment support them.So science, by definition, could never rule out the existence of God.

Sorry for the correction, but science only "rules out" and does not "rule in".
Theories are created and "ruled out" after falsification. If not,they continue
until "ruled out."
 
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You probably do better to just inflame yourself with prayer and find it yourself than worrying about what science says. Just take both POV's as valid in their own ways, that it's a really big universe when it comes to data, and consider that the two just haven't found their obvious points of intersection yet; explore and maybe you can be part of the solution!

Really science says 'this is the evidence we have that y followed x in w structure' which in and of itself is not a problem. It's only pop antitheists who like to twist science into Science.
 
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So science, by definition, could never rule out the existence of God.

This was a primary basis for which St. Aquinas scrutinized non-believers of Christ back in the 13th century well before Galileo, your father of modern science.
 
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Just be aware of how some atheistic minded people will desperately try to convince you that God is the wrong answer. Hopefully being mindful of that fact will help you think clearly and not be deceived into believing something false.

Openmindedness to truth, no matter what that truth is, is a very good mindset to have.

Open-minded in this situation means accepting the possibility that atheists are correct too.
 
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There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.

Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis. Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe. Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe, but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam


When you ask something like "why is there a universe?"...

...you're asking for an answer of meaning. You're correct in thinking that science doesn't answer those questions. The reason it doesn't answer those questions is because the answers are subjective and personal. Religion can give you answers related to the "meaning" of things...but because those answers are subjective and not factual, religion can never prove those answers true.

Another thing religion doesn't answer is..."how"?

How did god create the universe? How did he create mankind? Religion doesn't have an answer...

Again, that's because religion is concerned with finding these subjective answers of meaning. It's not concerned with discovering facts about reality.
 
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....Again, that's because religion is concerned with finding these subjective answers of meaning. It's not concerned with discovering facts about reality.
This really messes up a lot of religious people, because a shallow reading of holy scripture seems to reveal claims about facts of reality.
 
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Thinking God can be ruled out or not as yet proven isn't really a tenable position given material reality exists terrestrially and extra-terrestrially.
Strong atheists who revere science will often say there's no proof God exists. That's because they have a preconceived idea of what God is. And as a consequence when they avow atheism they have a preconceived bias that no thing meets the criteria necessary to prove their idea of what God translates to is in existence or materialized.

In truth proof of God, creator, is in their mirror. It is the material world and universe and beyond. The seen and unseen. Because all that exists has a source. And while science will argue that was the big bang, they can't prove or even reasonably theorize what went bang and most certainly have not posited a theory as to what caused the properties that went bang to come to exist so as to bang in the first place.
Reality is proof of God. The three letter word that often causes a visceral reaction in those opposed is not the issue.


There could be a heaven or a hell for an afterlife. We are not made to know.

Yes science points to the fossils it has found, DNA and the theory we all come from one common ancestor, but it is very much a hypothesis. Science will never have all the answers nor will it be able to tell us why there is a universe. Nor can science put a number on the kind of odds that would have to play out for that one sperm of your father to go to that one egg of your mother starting all the way back from 14 billion years ago at the dawn of the universe.

My problem with the theory of evolution is that it says "humans came from primitive animals having sex," which maybe, but it can't even rule out we live in a matrix or the universe came into existence 5 minutes ago and the whole thing is the product of witchcraft or an illusion of some sorts.

So what are your thoughts on this?

Sam
 
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Thinking God can be ruled out or not as yet proven isn't really a tenable position given material reality exists terrestrially and extra-terrestrially.
Strong atheists who revere science will often say there's no proof God exists. That's because they have a preconceived idea of what God is. And as a consequence when they avow atheism they have a preconceived bias that no thing meets the criteria necessary to prove their idea of what God translates to is in existence or materialized.
Yeah, and those preconceived ideas come from theists.
In truth proof of God, creator, is in their mirror. It is the material world and universe and beyond. The seen and unseen.
You'll need to elucidate your reasoning more explicitly.
Because all that exists has a source.
What indicates that this source must be a deity?
And while science will argue that was the big bang, they can't prove or even reasonably theorize what went bang and most certainly have not posited a theory as to what caused the properties that went bang to come to exist so as to bang in the first place.
Argument from ignorance.
Reality is proof of God.
In what way?
 
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Science can't rule out the existence of God

So what are your thoughts on this?
Agreed: Science deals with physical reality. It doesn´t deal with unfalsifiable claims. Gods and other such ill-defined, allegedly "supernatural" entities aren´t science´s subject.
 
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Open-minded in this situation means accepting the possibility that atheists are correct too.

Atheists are correct to wonder if God exists or not, everyone at some point in their life wonders about this question.

It's when they begin to believe in God that they cease to be atheist.
 
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