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Schools that teach creationism in the science class.

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I would absolutely agree that someone who goes against an established system must be prepared for what comes next.

Sure.

The student who has a genuine interest in learning biology in the conservative Christian school, should recognize that school has established a system of teaching biblical creationism and they would need to get their knowledge elsewhere and I am sure some do.

The student that has been taught biblical creationism since youth attending public school, would need to recognize, biology class is going to teach biology and not biblical creationism and they would need to rely on other means, to better understand biblical creationism.
 
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This is the text from the post your link sent me to.

"As opposed to all of the places on earth where there was no worldwide flood... (your statement is kind of contradictory) "--Strathos

Hmm. It takes me to post #28. That's weird.
 
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In your opinion, are sfs, pgp_protector, KerrMetric, Lucaspa, and mark kennedy qualified to teach science in US public schools?

(Please answer this.)

Opinion has nothing to do with it. If they hold the requisite certification for their particular state, they would be qualified.
 
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Despite statements to the contrary, creationism is still taught in a minority of publicly-funded science classrooms, though the methods used are sorta insidious.


Creationism again stalks the classroom - LA Times

As a personal aside, I love Zach Kopplin......
 
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This is a good point, I think.
 
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Despite statements to the contrary, creationism is still taught in a minority of publicly-funded science classrooms, though the methods used are sorta insidious. .
Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.
 
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Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.

Right, unfortunately it's only the truth as you see it, would a Muslin see it the same way you do? or a Hindu?
how about a Buddhist? or don't you give any of them much thought?
 
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They check with dad first, do they?
... would a Muslin see it the same way you do?
No
or a Hindu?
No
how about a Buddhist?
I don't think Buddhists have any set dogma.

To quote their philosophy:

If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.
... or don't you give any of them much thought?
They are mission fields.

Ever heard of the 10/40 Window?

I'd say a lot of thought went into that.
 
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That makes your chemistry instructor a fool; chemistry is one of the science fields in which, last time I checked, theists are in a majority.

Also, not appropriate to bring up. I once had a substitute teacher who decided to tell all the girls in the class to "marry well and not work after having kids". I chewed her out for the sexist implications, more specifically, I said (and this is true) "my mother worked full time, went to college part time, and took care of two kids, all by herself. Maybe you don't feel capable enough to manage all of that, but do not assume that all people need to live by the same 1950s ideology that you have". She couldn't even respond to that.

I have stood up to people like that before, and most of the time, never get any kind of punishment for it (even in instances where I probably should have).
 
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Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.

I don't know if you're sincere or visiting us from Landover Baptist. It's not wicked so much as irresponsible to deliberately impair a child's education by teaching them the pseudoscience of creationism to supplant the science they need to learn to become scientifically literate citizens. In the case of the charter schools they are actually setting a poor example of Christians because of their underhanded methods that just breed resentment at how taxpayer funding is spent. It's a breach of integrity on the part of these creationists and they compromise the public perception of Christians as a whole.

I've spent time in China every summer since 2008 because my church is partnered with several churches there and we join forces for volunteer projects. Yes, it's a tremendous blessing that churches there are thriving when the government previously suppressed the Christian faith. I've witnessed one church in Harbin grow and expand so much there are now four. You can find Bibles in many bookstores, including the famous Wangfujing Bookstore in Beijing. My friends there who are Christians still attend school and learn genuine science. I've directly asked them about this several times out of curiosity. Like me, they view Genesis as an allegory, so there is no disparity between their faith and their science education, and no need for subterfuge by their parents and instructors. This tug of war between Christianity and evolution mainly takes place upon American soil. It's an absolutely unnecessary and counterproductive feud. When it encroaches upon science education and impairs a student's education it's to the detriment of both the student and society. You want to tilt at the windmills about evolution, and perhaps that's your favorite form of exercise, but most sensible Christians find more productive ways to spend their time and energy.
 
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It's not wicked so much as irresponsible to deliberately impair a child's education by teaching them the pseudoscience of creationism ...
Creationism is no more science than stamp collecting.

Is stamp collecting a pseudoscience?
 
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Creationism is no more science than stamp collecting.

I agree with you 100% about this, AV.

Is stamp collecting a pseudoscience?

No, but as far as I'm aware there are not stamp collecting textbooks being taught in science classes in a blatant effort to supplant actual science. Stamp collecting pseudoscience textbook manufacturing isn't a lucrative business. There haven't been lawsuits to prohibit stamp collecting from being taught in public schools as part of an academic discipline.

Though if there were stamp collecting creationist textbooks they probably would make up Ken Ham and Henry Morris stamps to cover over the ones of Darwin that several countries have issued to honor his accomplishments. Anything with a creationist stamp would be returned to sender as it lacks use and function in the real world.






http://www.stampmagazine.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=84655

New Royal Mail stamps celebrate Charles Darwin | Science | The Guardian
 
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No, but as far as I'm aware there are not stamp collecting textbooks being taught in science classes in a blatant effort to supplant actual science.

That's something I wish creationists would come to realize:

That creationism is not science.

HOWEVER, it's not creationism's fault if creationists are trying to teach it as science.

Calling it "pseudoscience" then is, in my opinion, a misnomer.
 
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That's something I wish creationists would come to realize:

That creationism is not science.

HOWEVER, it's not creationism's fault if creationists are trying to teach it as science.

Calling it "pseudoscience" then is, in my opinion, a misnomer.

I love your brilliant moments. However, pseudoscience is a label often given to subjects that people try to pass off as science, and I think creationism qualifies, or, more specifically, ID.
 
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That makes your chemistry instructor a fool; chemistry is one of the science fields in which, last time I checked, theists are in a majority.

Thanks.


I can appreciate how this would frustrate you, but we don't want to cast a decision for motherhood as ignoble either.

I remember a great conversation where someone said, "I don't want my kid growing up as a garbage man." I asked, "Why? Is there something dishonorable about being a garbage man?" Yet a third person said, "If someone chooses to be a garbage man, that's one thing. But I don't want the opportunity taken away from my kid to pursue something else." That's the perfect answer IMHO.
 
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I was in middle school, this was about as brilliant a response to expect a 14 year old to give. And still inappropriate of her to say. Just like your instructor was inappropriate when he even brought up religion, let alone condemned it. The additional idiocy to it comes from the fact that if someone told their parents, he could have been met with a lawsuit for that, and likely would have lost his job.
 
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