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I would absolutely agree that someone who goes against an established system must be prepared for what comes next.
When someone is wrong and they insist on being wrong, they should also be prepared for what comes next.
I'm starting to think you missed this post.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7863160-3/#post67372794
This is the text from the post your link sent me to.
"As opposed to all of the places on earth where there was no worldwide flood... (your statement is kind of contradictory) "--Strathos
In your opinion, are sfs, pgp_protector, KerrMetric, Lucaspa, and mark kennedy qualified to teach science in US public schools?
(Please answer this.)
In a sane world, the ringing denunciation of intelligent design and creationist "science" delivered by a federal judge in 2005 would have eradicated these concepts from the schoolroom.
District Judge John E. Jones III of Harrisburg, Pa., ruled then that "intelligent design" is not science, "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents," and therefore is unconstitutional as a subject to be taught in a public school.
Yet the creationists keep at it. A recent report, written for Slate.com by the indefatigable and implausibly youthful Zack Kopplin, involves a network of charter schools with an enrollment of 17,000 students in Texas, Arkansas, and Indiana and an incredible haul of $82.6 million a year in state, local and federal funds.
As Kopplin reports, the biology workbook assigned to students in the schools operated by Responsive Education Solutions is shot through with creationist propaganda. Among its assertions: "Evolution which is, after all, an unproved theory has been treated as fact. It has reached the level of dogma, widely accepted, but unproven and changing school of thought that is treated as though it were fact."
Its section on "The Origin of Life" asserts: "There are only two ways that life could have begun: "1 - Spontaneous generation - random chemical processes formed the first cell. 2 - Supernatural intervention created the first cell."
As for the first living cell, the text blithers on, scientists "can only hypothesize what it might have been like." Thus it craftily attempts to undermine the scientific method. On the other hand, it says, "for many, supernatural creation (either by God or some other supernatural power) of the first cell is a more plausible explanation."
One way to react to a school system that places "supernatural intervention" on the same scientific plane as a natural process, however dopily described, is with relief that these 17,000 children won't be equipped to compete in the real world with our kids. Life in modern America is hard enough, so there's something Darwinian indeed about saddling all those kids with the burden of a 16th-century education.
Another way is to express dismay that taxpayer funds, including money paid by federal taxpayers, is going to this sort of effort.
In a reply to the Slate article posted in the Arkansas Times, Responsive Education Chief Executive Chuck Cook maintained that "the curriculum was simply providing examples of competing theories on the origin of life." He states, "Our science curriculum does examine all sides of the scientific evidence relating to the theory of evolution both for and against just as we are required to do by the Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills for Biology."
Jones took the measure of this "we're only teaching both sides" attack on evolution. In the case before him, a disclaimer read to school pupils in Dover, Pa., at the outset of their study of evolution, "while encouraging students to keep an open mind and explore alternatives to evolution ... offers no scientific alternative; instead, the only alternative offered is an inherently religious one."
Same here: The choice offered the schools' students is between evolution, which is chock full of uncertainties according to the text, or the supernatural.
Textbook publishers and responsible parents have finally started pushing back against Texas textbook standards, which because of the state's economic heft threatened to spread unscientific pap throughout the biology curricula of public schools nationwide.
Just last November, the Texas Board of Education approved high school texts from 14 publishers that had refused to water down their treatment of evolution. "None of those textbooks call into question the overwhelming evidence supporting evolution and climate change science," the watchdog group Texas Freedom Network reported.
But as the charter school case shows, creationism still has a way of sneaking in the back door. It's still not safe for parents to let down their guard. And it's high time that federal education officials took a closer look at what's being done with our money.
I never stated it was only the student and never the teacher.
Now, your examples are what they are and I am sure, there are environments created by some professors as you state. We are dealing with human beings here, not robots and this will happen.
I could also say, how comfortable would a student in a private Christian school be, asking a question about evolution, if the school is a conservative Christian school, that only believes in biblical creationism, but the student has a genuine interest in learning science?
Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.Despite statements to the contrary, creationism is still taught in a minority of publicly-funded science classrooms, though the methods used are sorta insidious. .
Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.
They check with dad first, do they?Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.
Right, unfortunately it's only the truth as you see it,
No... would a Muslin see it the same way you do?
Noor a Hindu?
I don't think Buddhists have any set dogma.how about a Buddhist?
They are mission fields.... or don't you give any of them much thought?
Yes I have, it tells us how little the eastern cultures want Christianity, any ideas as to why they should?Ever heard of the 10/40 Window?
Then this ...Yes I have,
... can take a hike.... or don't you give any of them much thought?
I'm sure. Read my latest reply to bhsmte. Earlier I mentioned being lectured by my chemistry teacher regarding how Christians can never become scientists. I have no idea what provoked him.
When I told my roommate (an evangelical Christian) about it afterward, he suggested I file a complaint. I chickened out and didn't do it. And the teacher only did it that one time, so I let it drop. But not exactly a friendly environment for Christians.
Right, and in China despite it being illegal creation and bible are taught to tens of millions! Don't anyone ever think that wicked men and wicked laws will stop the truth from marching on.
Creationism is no more science than stamp collecting.It's not wicked so much as irresponsible to deliberately impair a child's education by teaching them the pseudoscience of creationism ...
Creationism is no more science than stamp collecting.
Is stamp collecting a pseudoscience?
No, but as far as I'm aware there are not stamp collecting textbooks being taught in science classes in a blatant effort to supplant actual science.
That's something I wish creationists would come to realize:
That creationism is not science.
HOWEVER, it's not creationism's fault if creationists are trying to teach it as science.
Calling it "pseudoscience" then is, in my opinion, a misnomer.
That makes your chemistry instructor a fool; chemistry is one of the science fields in which, last time I checked, theists are in a majority.
Also, not appropriate to bring up. I once had a substitute teacher who decided to tell all the girls in the class to "marry well and not work after having kids". I chewed her out for the sexist implications, more specifically, I said (and this is true) "my mother worked full time, went to college part time, and took care of two kids, all by herself. Maybe you don't feel capable enough to manage all of that, but do not assume that all people need to live by the same 1950s ideology that you have". She couldn't even respond to that.
Thanks.
I can appreciate how this would frustrate you, but we don't want to cast a decision for motherhood as ignoble either.
I remember a great conversation where someone said, "I don't want my kid growing up as a garbage man." I asked, "Why? Is there something dishonorable about being a garbage man?" Yet a third person said, "If someone chooses to be a garbage man, that's one thing. But I don't want the opportunity taken away from my kid to pursue something else." That's the perfect answer IMHO.
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