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SaintMarco has been facing great temptaion to turn to Satanism. He said:

What makes me crave satanism is... I want to be elite. I want to be my own god. I want to be powerful. I want this very much. I was going to buy the Satanic bible on ebay a few days ago, but something held me back. Something always holds me back.

I'm wondering if there's anyone here who's been involved in it in the past and has something to say about it, which might help him. Could you share your experiences and testimony, or anythng God places on your heart to say. I would appreciate your encouragement and support for him.
 
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Didn't Jesus bring up a scripture that said ' you are all Gods? ' Marco is his own God already , within the spiritual boundries you can stand and go wherever you want. To be elite,to be powerfull these things mean nothing. LOVE , is supreme. Its the only thing in the universe that can make you happy.

Angels who love him try to whisper to him not to go that way, simply because they know it will lead to nowhere, however if he really wants this then even they can't stop him. But whatever floats your boat, its nothing more then emptyness and poverty. Economy can't thrive in a hatefull enviroment,and this is what satanism essensially is, poverty to its max, ever seen those poor hungry etiopians on t.v? Demonical entities are considered to be even much poorer then hungry etiopians by Angels in heaven. We know the misery in that country, then how much more miserable must the live of a Satanist be?
 
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I am not a satanist, nor have I ever been one. The topic interests me quite a bit though, as I think there is a bit of interest in everyone on the subject. I think in the bible it says somewhere how demons and such will spark a natural interest in you, but be careful when learning about them (I may be totally wrong on that assumption, Ive just heard it's in there somewhere)

Anyways, I was recently in a debate about satanism, so I looked it up and read a little bit about it in order to learn what I was up against. In my opinion, this "religion" is so absurd and ridiculous for several reasons. Ill map these out for you and my reference is churchofsatan.com

1. Satanists claim that they do not follow Satan. Their religion has nothing at all to do with Satan as it's used in Christianity. The "church" was founded in 1966 by Dr. LaVey. He is their so-called messiah who brought forth this new way of life. I'm not too sure why they chose to call themselves "Satanists" though. Only thing that comes to my mind is because they wanted to be seen as "rebels" and what better way to appear as a "rebel" than use the key figure a vast majority of people despise.

2. They are about self advancement at any cost. They are to care for nothing, including other people, besides themselves..
They have several philosophies and views theyre to follow, but I've found many of these to be so horribly flawed that I'd be completely embarassed to ever say I'm a follower of them..

From the 'Nine Satanic Statements'

#8 Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Ok, so that is all good... but then while viewing their "Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth" I found:

"5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. "
These both contradict eachother. Rape is indeed a sin, as described in #8 of the "nine statements." It certainly is an act that does not recieve a mating signal. In one they tell you your role model is "sin" itself because it leads to self-gratification in all aspects, while the other tells you not to "sin."
Contradiction.

moving on..

#9 Do not harm little children.
Harming kids is definitely a "Sin." If "Sin" leads to gratification then one should be allowed to harm kids.
( Another side note " 11 of "Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth:" When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.") suppose a child committed that offense, then what?
Contradiction.

#10 Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
Again, that is clearly a Sin. Why is this one worse than others, especially if I feel I wont be satisfied unless I can freely indulge in my 'animal killing fetish'
Contradiction.

#6 Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Stealing. I am good at being sneaky, and love the challenge of being a good thief. It's a sin as well. Why can I not do that if I'm a Satanist?
Contradiction.

It all just seems so weird to me as to why someone would take this up "seriously" as a "religion." I think that everyone has that "I want to be the best" feeling inside of them. It's human nature. I don't think "Satanism" is the answer to that though. "Satanism" is much more like a cop-out route to take. It seems like the whole wave of "It's cool to be opposed to christianity and anything that has mass support" was looking for some way to strike back and failed miserably by creating this. You don't have to shun people to be an "Elitest." You dont have to reject being nice, moral, intelligent, respectable, and generous to be an "Elitest." Christianity does have some bad historical moments, and does have some bad figures/ representatives. That doesn't mean the religion itself is bad. Just because it has a reputation of "You have to always be smiling, friendly, and 'goody-goody'" doesn't mean you cant question it, have some personal insight, and contribute youre own thoughts to the whole. You certainly can be a "Christian Elitest."
 
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I am not a satanist, nor have I ever been one. The topic interests me quite a bit though, as I think there is a bit of interest in everyone on the subject. I think in the bible it says somewhere how demons and such will spark a natural interest in you, but be careful when learning about them (I may be totally wrong on that assumption, Ive just heard it's in there somewhere)

Anyways, I was recently in a debate about satanism, so I looked it up and read a little bit about it in order to learn what I was up against. In my opinion, this "religion" is so absurd and ridiculous for several reasons. Ill map these out for you and my reference is churchofsatan.com

1. Satanists claim that they do not follow Satan. Their religion has nothing at all to do with Satan as it's used in Christianity. The "church" was founded in 1966 by Dr. LaVey. He is their so-called messiah who brought forth this new way of life. I'm not too sure why they chose to call themselves "Satanists" though. Only thing that comes to my mind is because they wanted to be seen as "rebels" and what better way to appear as a "rebel" than use the key figure a vast majority of people despise.

2. They are about self advancement at any cost. They are to care for nothing, including other people, besides themselves..
They have several philosophies and views theyre to follow, but I've found many of these to be so horribly flawed that I'd be completely embarassed to ever say I'm a follower of them..

From the 'Nine Satanic Statements'

#8 Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

Ok, so that is all good... but then while viewing their "Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth" I found:

"5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal. "
These both contradict eachother. Rape is indeed a sin, as described in #8 of the "nine statements." It certainly is an act that does not recieve a mating signal. In one they tell you your role model is "sin" itself because it leads to self-gratification in all aspects, while the other tells you not to "sin."
Contradiction.

moving on..

#9 Do not harm little children.
Harming kids is definitely a "Sin." If "Sin" leads to gratification then one should be allowed to harm kids.
( Another side note " 11 of "Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth:" When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.") suppose a child committed that offense, then what?
Contradiction.

#10 Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
Again, that is clearly a Sin. Why is this one worse than others, especially if I feel I wont be satisfied unless I can freely indulge in my 'animal killing fetish'
Contradiction.

#6 Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Stealing. I am good at being sneaky, and love the challenge of being a good thief. It's a sin as well. Why can I not do that if I'm a Satanist?
Contradiction.

It all just seems so weird to me as to why someone would take this up "seriously" as a "religion." I think that everyone has that "I want to be the best" feeling inside of them. It's human nature. I don't think "Satanism" is the answer to that though. "Satanism" is much more like a cop-out route to take. It seems like the whole wave of "It's cool to be opposed to christianity and anything that has mass support" was looking for some way to strike back and failed miserably by creating this. You don't have to shun people to be an "Elitest." You dont have to reject being nice, moral, intelligent, respectable, and generous to be an "Elitest." Christianity does have some bad historical moments, and does have some bad figures/ representatives. That doesn't mean the religion itself is bad. Just because it has a reputation of "You have to always be smiling, friendly, and 'goody-goody'" doesn't mean you cant question it, have some personal insight, and contribute youre own thoughts to the whole. You certainly can be a "Christian Elitest."

You couldn't be more wrong.

1. "Satan", according to Satanists, is the dark force inside each and every one of us. It's the nature of a carnal beast. Not some evil spirit that christians claim to exist.

2. A Satanist rule is to only love and respect those who deserve it. That doesn't mean they don't care about anyone, it means they choose who they care about carefully.

As for all the nine satanic statements being contradictions, fair enough. But Satanists, like christians, have set rules to follow, civilised ones if you ask me. Satanism isn't about indulging in what ever you feel like, it's about doing what makes you happy. It just so happens that, like any religion, you have to obey it's rules. So some things are wrong, even to a Satanist.
 
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SaintMarco said:
You couldn't be more wrong.

1. "Satan", according to Satanists, is the dark force inside each and every one of us. It's the nature of a carnal beast. Not some evil spirit that christians claim to exist.

2. A Satanist rule is to only love and respect those who deserve it. That doesn't mean they don't care about anyone, it means they choose who they care about carefully.

As for all the nine satanic statements being contradictions, fair enough. But Satanists, like christians, have set rules to follow, civilised ones if you ask me. Satanism isn't about indulging in what ever you feel like, it's about doing what makes you happy. It just so happens that, like any religion, you have to obey it's rules. So some things are wrong, even to a Satanist.

Excuse me for the things I was wrong on then. I apologize for those. Again, I'm just relaying information I've heard from Satanists themselves and from a few sites, including the one I stated up above.

In response to your #1... that agreed with what I said up there. Satanists are misinterpreted in that most people believe they worship the christian Satan. They don't. The question that remains is why would they chose that name to represent their group? My speculation about wanting to "rebel" seems logical, but that is still pure speculation. Tell me if you know please.

Some of their rules are, in fact, civilized. But to claim these ones are civilized is just absurd.

From The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:

4. If a guest in lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

I suppose that could be justified as "civilized" if this guest tried to kill you and your family in your lair, but to say if he so much as "annoys" you is hardly civilized. Little kids tend to bug the crap out of me. Am I to beat them senseless, and throw them out on the sidewalk when they start whining to their parents?

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Again it seems to go a bit far, in my opinion, to be deemed "civilized." I could understand if he threatened you, mugged you, or tried to kill you... but bothering you? And to "destroy" is a bit far as well. I think if Satanists do, in fact, follow their doctrines, then we will be seeing quite a few of them behind bars.



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There's not much I can say.All I can say is satan/lucifer/what ever, promises you power he gives you powers that you can see, he promises many things but does not mean any of them, only one person means the things he says God.My mother was into satanism and watch craft for a year when she was younger like 13 or 14, she said satan gives you powers that you can see with the eye, that's how he gets you, scary things happen if you get in a group demons will come and possess people there voice changes and they talk to you, you can see that shadows moving around at the "meetings".Satanism is a scary thing maybe here you will have power but when you die he will forget you, you will be no different then anyone else to him.With God you are yourself.Does any of that make sense?
 
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he's living in the flesh and not in the Spirit and despretly needs to draw closer to God. Spend time with God ,prayer,reading Gods word and surrender over to God ,worship,fellowship,and needs to pratice self control and focus on God..............he is under attack......................that something that is telling him not to go to the dark side is God telling him not to go there...............God loves him.
 
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he's living in the flesh and not in the Spirit and despretly needs to draw closer to God. Spend time with God ,prayer,reading Gods word and surrender over to God ,worship,fellowship,and needs to pratice self control and focus on God..............he is under attack......................that something that is telling him not to go to the dark side is God telling him not to go there...............God loves him.

Do be honest, i'm kind of halfway there...
 
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RomanPrincess said:
he's living in the flesh and not in the Spirit and despretly needs to draw closer to God. Spend time with God ,prayer,reading Gods word and surrender over to God ,worship,fellowship,and needs to pratice self control and focus on God..............he is under attack......................that something that is telling him not to go to the dark side is God telling him not to go there...............God loves him.

To be honest, i'm kind of already halfway there...
 
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SaintMarco said:
To be honest, i'm kind of already halfway there...
Marco, do you mind if I refer you to someone who knows more about Satanism than I do? His screen name is forgivensinner001. He used to be a Satanist before leaving for Christianity, and ultimately Orthodoxy. I am sure that he would not mind to hear from you via PM.
 
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Marco, do you mind if I refer you to someone who knows more about Satanism than I do? His screen name is forgivensinner001. He used to be a Satanist before leaving for Christianity, and ultimately Orthodoxy. I am sure that he would not mind to hear from you via PM.

Not at all, perhaps you should. Could you tell him to PM me?
 
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Yes I have been involved in it, and have scars to prove it, aswell as a full testomony. I tried to explain the dangers of being involved, and how hard it is to come out of it. I didn't go into a lot of detail with him but in what I did try and explain I was hit with comments were he didn't believe what they do. He seems to think in his head that what he explained was Satanism when in actual fact in one particular thing he mentioned was actually to do with white witches. I was not prepared to get in arguements with him like he has been doing with others, when I went through 4 yrs of hell and one year of living in a safe house because I wanted out. Only those who have been there know. No book can tell you thats why its darkness. If he wanted a full testemony he could get it off me or even the Pentecostal church that finally helped out. Hes an angry person at the moment and until he begins to see reality theres no help except prayer.

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Hitch2astar said:
SaintMarco has been facing great temptaion to turn to Satanism. He said:

What makes me crave satanism is... I want to be elite. I want to be my own god. I want to be powerful. I want this very much. I was going to buy the Satanic bible on ebay a few days ago, but something held me back. Something always holds me back.

I'm wondering if there's anyone here who's been involved in it in the past and has something to say about it, which might help him. Could you share your experiences and testimony, or anythng God places on your heart to say. I would appreciate your encouragement and support for him.
 
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Yes I have been involved in it, and have scars to prove it, aswell as a full testomony. I tried to explain the dangers of being involved, and how hard it is to come out of it. I didn't go into a lot of detail with him but in what I did try and explain I was hit with comments were he didn't believe what they do. He seems to think in his head that what he explained was Satanism when in actual fact in one particular thing he mentioned was actually to do with white witches. I was not prepared to get in arguements with him like he has been doing with others, when I went through 4 yrs of hell and one year of living in a safe house because I wanted out. Only those who have been there know. No book can tell you thats why its darkness. If he wanted a full testemony he could get it off me or even the Pentecostal church that finally helped out. Hes an angry person at the moment and until he begins to see reality theres no help except prayer.

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You've NEVER spoken to me about Satanism.
 
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well, i was involved in satnaism for about 2 years and i've been trying to get out of it for aw while, but it is extremely difficutl because every time i go to God and think i'm finally gonna be a christian, something happens, and i realize that i was never out of satanism int he first place, or i just fall back in. its a vicious cycle to break free from. i wish ic ould stop you from going to satan, but i can't. it has to be your choice. i can only pray for you, and i just have.
 
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Everyone here has said far more than I could ever say, so aside from this one personal experience, I will say no more to you, Marco, and leave this to the wiser Christians here.

But I can tell you that whoever is telling you about Satanism is obviously overlooking the negatives of it. I have seen a life shattered by a Satanist. This man was a sadistic, evil, hedonist, and nothing short of it. Even when his victim escaped from his physical torture, he could still assault their mind. Do you know what freed his victim? Prayer. Calling out to Christ for salvation and protection. Believe what you will about Satanism, but in the one case of spiritual warfare I have witnessed, Christ won out, and proved forever to me that he is infinitely stronger, infinitely loving and true to those who need him and call to him, and that no matter how harmless some Satanists seem, there is always great evil that can be done through the religion. This particular Satanist very much believed in Satan as a living entity, and if you ask around the Non-Christian religion area, you will find more SAtanists who do. I do not expect you to change your decision based on the personal experience of one person, but I hope you will remember to exercise much caution if you decide to go down this dark path, and think of just how safe it really is to give yourself to dark, animalistic urges. Seems very far from "elite" to me.
 
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Everyone here has said far more than I could ever say, so aside from this one personal experience, I will say no more to you, Marco, and leave this to the wiser Christians here.

But I can tell you that whoever is telling you about Satanism is obviously overlooking the negatives of it. I have seen a life shattered by a Satanist. This man was a sadistic, evil, hedonist, and nothing short of it. Even when his victim escaped from his physical torture, he could still assault their mind. Do you know what freed his victim? Prayer. Calling out to Christ for salvation and protection. Believe what you will about Satanism, but in the one case of spiritual warfare I have witnessed, Christ won out, and proved forever to me that he is infinitely stronger, infinitely loving and true to those who need him and call to him, and that no matter how harmless some Satanists seem, there is always great evil that can be done through the religion. This particular Satanist very much believed in Satan as a living entity, and if you ask around the Non-Christian religion area, you will find more SAtanists who do. I do not expect you to change your decision based on the personal experience of one person, but I hope you will remember to exercise much caution if you decide to go down this dark path, and think of just how safe it really is to give yourself to dark, animalistic urges. Seems very far from "elite" to me.

Everything Dave said here is correct in regards to satanists, Only today I saw one, a former family friend, one of the closest friends we had, now he is a horrid creature, he always looks half staved and his face is always twisted and deformed now, whatever he started down that dark path for it served him no pupose :(
 
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Godismyrefuge who uses this site is Jeff Harshberger who heads Refuge Ministries (www.refugeministries.cc) was an eclectic Satanist inspired by the writings of Anton Lavey. (atheistic)
His testimony is on that site and he has also produced a book on the subject.

My leanings were towards the theistic traditional concepts. Whilst I COULD name the order I will refrain from doing so on a public forum.

Those who WANT to be elite are considered part of the herd mentality. If you think you want to be your own God your not really and wanting to be powerful is a good way to get fried at the first post in your explorations.

Sorry anti-existence I do not recall being miserable; too arrogant for that I was doing EXACTLY what I wanted to. its selfish above all else.

Church of Satan (CoS) is but one of the atheistic concepts of satanic philosophy. I found it narcisstic and rejected CoS well over 20 years ago in favour of a more theistic traditional version. (NOT that espoused by Ms Vere either Marco)
My leanings were most emphatically LHP and I sought to gain mastery.
I was such a black old hen in some ways.

Marco if you choose there are always PM's but I do suggest Jeff in preference to myself for I am shaped by my past and I warn you I was the female of the species..
Vespasia.
 
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vespasia said:
Marco

Godismyrefuge who uses this site is Jeff Harshberger who heads Refuge Ministries (www.refugeministries.cc) was an eclectic Satanist inspired by the writings of Anton Lavey. (atheistic)
His testimony is on that site and he has also produced a book on the subject.

My leanings were towards the theistic traditional concepts. Whilst I COULD name the order I will refrain from doing so on a public forum.

Those who WANT to be elite are considered part of the herd mentality. If you think you want to be your own God your not really and wanting to be powerful is a good way to get fried at the first post in your explorations.

Sorry anti-existence I do not recall being miserable; too arrogant for that I was doing EXACTLY what I wanted to. its selfish above all else.

Church of Satan (CoS) is but one of the atheistic concepts of satanic philosophy. I found it narcisstic and rejected CoS well over 20 years ago in favour of a more theistic traditional version. (NOT that espoused by Ms Vere either Marco)
My leanings were most emphatically LHP and I sought to gain mastery.
I was such a black old hen in some ways.

Marco if you choose there are always PM's but I do suggest Jeff in preference to myself for I am shaped by my past and I warn you I was the female of the species..
Vespasia.

I talked to Jeff, very interesting guy. Knows his stuff anyway. I'll keep talking to him.

It's nice to know you people care so much.

I feel like I'm being torn at. Like a tug of war inside my soul.
 
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